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Can this decal get me into actual legal trouble?
In the last 15 years I've been left angry notes, my tires deflated, and I've been keyed. Can someone accuse this as hate speech under the new bill?
I'm sure this is protected under the charter but I just want to say I seriously HATE this hate speech bill. What a load of garbage.
Theres no hate like Christian love.
That "love" was going to be exempted from the bill too, until the liberals had to compromise to the bloc.
@rabber Satanism is a valid religion. I even ran my own little Satanic Church here for a bit. If satanic imagery is considered hateful, then crosses and Jewish stars should be not allowed either.
I have a devote catholic aunt whose twice my age and we love to talk religion. Yesterday I sent her the Seven Tenets and she said that's really nice, where is that from? Lol
Satanism teaches you to believe in yourself, treat living things with respect, question everything, and to never bend to authorities. Wow so hateful
Itβs that last one the authorities tend not to like, tho.
And the first five commandments are telling you to bend to authority
Ah yes but: Double standards
they gonna give you death by firing squad
Counter-sue as hate speech that they implied a symbol of a peaceful belief system was definitionally hateful. let them FAFO.
This is probably the symbol that's getting your tires deflated.
Can you elaborate? You think a 16 year old bmw is triggering people?
At least I have no payments and I don't drive a modern car that connects to the internet. That shit is pathetic.
I had a 325i and it was keyed twice and pretty sure the door handle was pissed on once. And I didn't drive like a dink, unlike most BMW owners, I realized my car came stock with signal lights that worked and I used them. But that's been my experience with owning a BMW.
And I'm with you on the "smart" features. I'll be fucked if I have a connected vehicle. My 18 year old Ford pickup with hand-cranked windows and an FM radio are the sweet spot for me.
No dude literally nobody was paying attention to your 325i lol
Hate speech is pretty narrowly defined. Unless there's tiny print there that says "kill all the Dutch" you should be good.
Hate speech is not narrowly defined. It is barely defined. C-9 doesn't even need hate speech.
The proposed amendments in the Bill would create four new criminal offences: (1) an intimidation offence that prohibits conduct that is intended to provoke a state of fear in another person to impede them from accessing religious or cultural institutions and other specified places
Those of us old enough to remember the satanic panic will remember a lot of pearl clutching christians who can easily be provoked to a state of fear that would impede them from accessing religious or cultural institutions and other specified places.
Whether someone intended to provoke such pearl clutching is a matter of interpretation. And pearl clutters have a proven track record of getting interpretations in their favour - no matter how much evidence indicates otherwise.
So, right off the bat, there's the law as it is, and then what people can stretch the law into as you slide towards fascism. On this side of the border I expect rule of law to hold, at least in the medium term. If you were in the US my answer might be very different.
Per the charter you have to target an identifiable group directly, and by past precedent, it seems like you have to specifically incite genocide. A lot of people get away with stopping just short, or even going all the way, but only online or in semi-private. The main successful prosecution I can think of was a guy openly leaving neonazi swastika pamphlets on people's doors.
IANAL, but that specific offence cited is pretty clearly about attacking places of worship. If you drive up on a church lawn and park across the entry walkway you might have a problem. Otherwise, you're just declaring affiliation with a different, hostile religious group, and that's your business. It's like an evangelical with a sticker against praying to saints, basically.
It was narrowly defined. Not anymore with this bill.
If only, basically.
As far as I can the places of worship thing is the only expansion of what can be prosecuted. The rest is just about making it easier to prosecute. You can still say all gays belong in prison and be fine.
The bill, as it is written determines if a law was broken by how the aggrieved party feels. Which is absolutely ridiculous.
Doesn't the describe harassment, psychological abuse and maybe sexual harassment laws, too? Like, I can see why you'd take issue with it, but it's not exactly unprecedented.
I'm sorry I don't follow how that sticker would be related to bil c9?
Their sticker is causing others to perform hate-speech on the owner. They're wondering if that would count as per c9.
If there is no other crime then no, the new crime can only be tacked on to an existing crime. it seems like they are committing vandalism, so perhaps under the new law they could get a charge commensurate to the penalty for vandalism probably not worth the extra lawyering imo.