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cross-posted from: https://hexbear.net/post/8940326

IT'S FINALLY HAPPENING

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[–] sharkfucker420@lemmy.ml 22 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

Made this comment on the hexbear post but I will put it here too because of my hatred for Sir Glubb


I have an unreasonable dislike for sir Glubb. His conclusion is just wrong and based on horrible data. It bothers me that his opinion has lasted this long in the public consciousness

I mean look at this shit bruh

I'd be embarassed to have made this. What made him choose these dates? Wdym the Ottoman empire only lasted 250 years??? Yes, the Roman empire totally ended in 180 A.D. nothing happened after that don't worry about it haha. Don't even look at China, doesn't matter, nothing is going on there. Like???? I hate him


America is coming to its end as an empire but it's not because it reached some arbitrary date set by a Brit trying to rationalize the fall of his empire in a way that absolves its people of any fault.

[–] VoteNixon2016@lemmy.blahaj.zone 5 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

Byzantium? I hardly know 'um!

The Roman Empire absolutely ended in 180 CE though, that's when Marcus Aurelius died and ended the divine right of the Caesars to rule, a claim just as plausible as Glubb's

[–] sharkfucker420@lemmy.ml 4 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

The death of the last competent emporer is not the death of the empire itself. I personally wouldn't put a hard date on the end of the western roman empire as I don't think of myself a competent Roman historian but I refuse to consider it earlier than 395.

America hasn't competent leadership for a while but its empire is still very much alive.

Edit: not sure I understood what you meant by the last part of your comment so I apologize if I misinterpreted something and my response feels out of place

You're good, I was trying to make a joke about how Glubb's claims are just as believable as a monarch's claim that they have a divine right to rule

I agree with you though, about not putting a hard date on the end of (most) empires. I get why historians want to do it, it definitely makes discussions simpler. But especially in the pre-modern era, the fall of an empire means very different things for different subjects of that empire. From the perspective of the people on the fringes of the empire, it could have either ended quickly when the Romans couldn't protect their own borders, or it ended gradually as local leaders gained more and more autonomy from a diminishing central authority.

The point is, your comment isn't out of place, because I always enjoy talking about stuff like this :)

[–] Fontasia@feddit.nl 4 points 1 day ago

Cambodia got 1000 years

Mali got 400

I think there's just something specifically shit about the west

[–] antonim@lemmy.world 85 points 3 days ago (2 children)

For better and for worse, that "statistic" is pure nonsense. Some guy basically just made it up and sort of tried to make the historical data look like it fits, but if you look into it it's going to give you a headache.

[–] weeeeum@lemmy.world 12 points 2 days ago

Also super dumb to assert "after x years, it always dies!"

Like ya, everything already dies eventually. Imagine writing "every human who lived past 70 ALWAYS DIES!!!!"

[–] germanatlas@lemmy.blahaj.zone 7 points 2 days ago

Shut up, let us hope in peace

[–] Kellenved@sh.itjust.works 13 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)
[–] Simulation6@sopuli.xyz 3 points 2 days ago

Also country and empire are different.

[–] ChicoSuave@lemmy.world 15 points 3 days ago (1 children)

The question misses some history. Of all global powers only the USSR has been erased since the advent of democracy. And it can be argued that the disappearance of the Soviets is their lack of democracy. Having the state reside with the People has an incredible sustaining power. For example, France has survived as a nation through several governments. Germany and Italy have been through some wild times and they still exist as nations.

Trump and MAGA might bring about a revolution but America will continue.

[–] atomicbocks@sh.itjust.works 15 points 3 days ago (1 children)

I am confused by what you are saying. There have been several global powers that have come and gone since the 6th century, the Ottoman Empire for instance.

[–] ChicoSuave@lemmy.world 0 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Yet Turkiye remains. I am saying the government is not the nation. That means that no matter what happens, America will remain.

[–] atomicbocks@sh.itjust.works 10 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Right but so does Russia so I’m not sure why you brought up the USSR.

[–] ChicoSuave@lemmy.world -1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

The USSR was so much more than just Russia. That legacy is part of why Russia is invading Ukraine. Again.

[–] atomicbocks@sh.itjust.works 6 points 2 days ago

…and the Ottoman Empire was more than just Turkey. At one point it spanned from the borders of Italy all the way around the Mediterranean to modern day Algeria.

By your logic then America won’t survive because like the Soviet Union it’s just a federal system of constituent parts that are highly unlikely to participate in a mass government together again.

[–] Swedneck@discuss.tchncs.de 0 points 2 days ago (1 children)

calling it "turkiye" makes me question your motives

[–] volore@scribe.disroot.org 6 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (3 children)

... Is that not the name of the country? Every source I can find online seems to indicate that's the preferred nomenclature now. Or does this have some problematic connotation that google isn't showing me?

[–] antonim@lemmy.world 3 points 2 days ago (1 children)

It's actually supposed to be Türkiye, due to Turkey's request to be called like that in English by international entities: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-61671913

I neither know why ordinary people would call it like that, since Turkey is still practically the usual name (more recognisable, easier to write and pronounce), nor why calling it Türkiye anyway would be suspicious.

[–] volore@scribe.disroot.org 7 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

I just assumed they couldn't type the u with umlauts but wanted to use the current name; and I just really want to know why that other guy thinks that confers "questionable motives".

[–] antonim@lemmy.world 2 points 2 days ago

Tbh, that kinda does make more sense... still a weird complaint though.

[–] Swedneck@discuss.tchncs.de 0 points 1 day ago

the name of the country in english is "turkey", insisting on people changing what it's called in other languages is nationalist propaganda from the Erdoğan government.

It's like if germany suddenly decided everyone has to call it "Deutschland", it's obviously silly and frankly kinda offensive. You only get to make such requests if you've suffered colonialism and oppression by other countries, which turkey most certainly has not (they have been the colonizer and oppressor).

[–] HexesofVexes@lemmy.world 3 points 2 days ago

Hexbear crosspost; stat is also questionable (apples to oranges, small sample size).