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[-] nat_turner_overdrive@hexbear.net 102 points 1 year ago

I guarantee that no oct 7th survivor who has talked about the IOF indiscriminately killing hostages gets interviewed in this

[-] JohnBrownNote@hexbear.net 57 points 1 year ago

that's the boots riley one

[-] Justice@lemmygrad.ml 75 points 1 year ago

if someone made a multi-part series that sought to "proportionately" display death and destruction done to Palestinians and Israelis (based only on numbers of dead) they could produce a 10 part, one hour per episode series and spend only 30 mins on Israeli deaths and the other 9.5/10 hrs on Palestinian deaths. and that's just as of right now. And also only based on deaths not accounting for missing, injured, total destruction of Gaza making it unliveable, etc. That ratio is only going to worsen and perhaps in the end the "balance of suffering" will make it only 15 mins of a 10 hour series on just the events of Oct 7 and going forward. ignoring the 75 years which would keep pushing that ratio down to being generous to even give Israelis a 1 minute fast-mention of violence done to them and basically a solid 10 hours explaining what the Israelis did to the Palestinians.

I know that's a somewhat silly way to look at it, but this project, when framed in context, is beyond silly. It's grotesque. He plans to make a documentary to explain and forgive the crimes of Israel and condemn the population which has been completely victimized for basically a century.

I'm not exaggerating when I say it would be like someone making a film about the Nazis and how the mean Soviets and western allies beat them up for the small crime of wanting an Aryan homeland. Or something like that. Of course films like this exist (Birth of a Nation?) and most people (rightfully) view them as gross and for what they are... apologia for horrific behavior. They're seen now days, separated by time, that way anyway.

It's probably too much of a stretch, but, fuck it. Spielberg is known for a ton of good movies including Schindler's List. That movie has always sat a tad bit uneasy with me because although it depicts (as far as I'm aware) a pretty much accurate story, he also throws in a dash of Zionism that even when I was younger, and didn't know what Israel even was, I was like "wait why the fuck is this random country honoring this guy?" Spielberg fucking tied the story back into "and Schindler saved all those Jews and some went to Israel so you should support Israel (implied) just like Oskar would have wanted. Don't they deserve a "homeland?""

That shit has been stewing in my brain on a low simmer for like 20 years now. I think I finally found the words to express how I felt when I first watched that movie. I remember it being extremely heart wrenching, he definitely displays the absolute disregard that Nazis had for humanity. You can't help but leave the film thinking or wondering what you'd do, why it happened, etc. A great film as far as storytelling goes. I mean, it's Spielberg, come on. But he just had to add that fucking Zionist shit at the end (maybe it's at the beginning too, been a while).

[-] LesbianLiberty@hexbear.net 57 points 1 year ago

This fucking guy, he funded a Holocaust museum in one of the few Synagogues left in Cuba, which is a good thing, right? The Holocaust is literally one of the world's greatest tragedies.

EXCEPT when I went to see it recently, it talked about the Holocaust, si, but it was also chock full of plaques about the beauty of Israel's project and there were a ton of those "bring them home" posters everywhere. There were even posterboards talking about antisemitism still existing in the imperial core, which, yeah! But half of it was just about Jeremy fucking Corbyn.

Anyway I hate anything this dickhead touches now.

[-] VILenin@hexbear.net 21 points 1 year ago

bring them home

I agree, go back to Europe

[-] blashork@hexbear.net 53 points 1 year ago

God I hate that shitstain. Let me dump another shitty thing he did in this thread. Did you know that he actively prevents people from making movies that feature any of MLK's speech's. He owns the film rights to them and sits on them to make sure they are in no way preserved or depicted in film.

Fuck his zionist ass. It would be so funny if he visited isntreal and got 🔻

[-] VILenin@hexbear.net 40 points 1 year ago

lmao owning the rights to depicting history, this country is fucked. intellectual property violation is the fakest form of “theft” right behind “organized retail shoplifters”

[-] ergifruit@lemmygrad.ml 16 points 1 year ago

intellectual property violation is both a civic duty and an ethical demand

[-] Dolores@hexbear.net 14 points 1 year ago

Did you know that he actively prevents people from making movies that feature any of MLK's speech's. He owns the film rights to them and sits on them to make sure they are in no way preserved or depicted in film

uhhhhh what? i don't understand what you mean, and like copyright law is weird and stupid so i'm willing to believe some kind of fuckery--but i've definitely seen MLK speeches in documentary films

[-] blashork@hexbear.net 17 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

He and dreamworks got the rights to the speech from king's estate and sat on them for a long ass time. Apparently a lot of movies with mlk in them rewrite a lot of the lines because of copyright stuff. Here's the old vice article I found about it. link

Apparently they're finally making something with the rights. recent forbes article So yeah they've had the rights for a while and this has caused a lot of issues for anyone else who ever wanted to make mlk related works.

[-] Dolores@hexbear.net 7 points 1 year ago

so it must be just for like, the rights to re-create the speeches in biopics, not the recordings from the actual events? ridiculous on so many levels

[-] blashork@hexbear.net 9 points 1 year ago

Yeah, film rights to use the direct words of the speeches I think. Insane

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[-] LaGG_3@hexbear.net 50 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Weird way to announce Ready Player Two, but ok

[-] some_guy 45 points 1 year ago

“I don’t think there’s enough propaganda. I know, I’ll make more!”

[-] LaughingLion@hexbear.net 43 points 1 year ago

if we are talking about insurgent operations across the history of just modern warfare, the october 7th one is not even particularly brutal or barbaric and is only notable in its scale

[-] plinky@hexbear.net 15 points 1 year ago

In terms of killed soldiers/civilians ratio it blows any usa/israel adventure

[-] GrouchyGrouse@hexbear.net 40 points 1 year ago

Oh cool a thread where I get to point out a disturbing thing in Spielberg's Saving Private Ryan.

You ever noticed how the GIs bleed and the German soldiers don't, really? I'm not saying you should feel a whole lot of sympathy for the wehrmacht jabronis but it is striking once you notice it. Aside from a few shots most of the time they just explode with powdery dust and slump over like so many storm troopers. The GIs bleed out, call for their mothers, moan scream, but not their enemies.

Aside from more nuanced takes this was the thing I noticed that started me down the path of becoming very critical of the film. It's fuckin weird, y'all.

[-] Great_Leader_Is_Dead@hexbear.net 26 points 1 year ago

Fucking Come and See had more nuance than Saving Private Ryan

[-] ShimmeringKoi@hexbear.net 21 points 1 year ago

That scene early in the movie when the GIs execute those two surrendering germans feels like a perfunctory stab at a "war is hell" moment, but now that I think about it it never comes up again, the characters just quip about it and then the movie forgets to do anything with it.

[-] GrouchyGrouse@hexbear.net 22 points 1 year ago

If you look it up they're actually saying something like "we're Czech not German" right before they get popped which makes it even more awkward.

[-] Vncredleader@hexbear.net 8 points 1 year ago

Yeah iirc that's meant to be a dark reference to conscripted German Czechs. That's the closest Spielberg can get to empathizing with someone in eastern Europe

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[-] Evilphd666@hexbear.net 37 points 1 year ago

anakin-padme-2 He's going to show idf-cool gunships going frantic mercing thier own people right?

anakin-padme-4 The subsequent massive genocide of the Palestinians right?

[-] SacredExcrement@hexbear.net 6 points 1 year ago

anakin-padme-3 only footage of Hamas fighters shooting in vague directions and atrocity propaganda

[-] Quaxamilliom@hexbear.net 36 points 1 year ago

I heard they're already screening the first 40 minutes or so of this production to select journalists.

[-] InevitableSwing@hexbear.net 22 points 1 year ago

A journalist must already be verboten if they have used the word "Gaza" in a context that might be as much as 1% not neutral.

[-] duderium@hexbear.net 30 points 1 year ago

Hasn’t made a decent movie since War of the Worlds (2005). “Not my blood! Not my blood!”

[-] anarchoilluminati@hexbear.net 16 points 1 year ago

When I was watching War of the Worlds and how the aliens just went around zapping people with lasers that disintegrated them into dust, I was just waiting for Queen's 'Another One Bites the Dust' to come on. Missed opportunity, ruined the movie.

[-] keepcarrot@hexbear.net 14 points 1 year ago

I really liked the tripod design in that one

[-] PolandIsAStateOfMind@lemmygrad.ml 14 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

War of the Worlds (2005)

You call that "decent"? Tom Cruise played in that so no chance. Even if he didn't that was literally second worst sci-fi movie i ever watched.

[-] duderium@hexbear.net 11 points 1 year ago

I won’t defend it.

[-] spacecadet@hexbear.net 8 points 1 year ago

Tom Cruise is good, actually

[-] LeZero@hexbear.net 29 points 1 year ago

Will it play in closed theaters with a select list of guests, who will be under NDA?

[-] Melina@hexbear.net 24 points 1 year ago

Same guy libified Jurassic Park

What a waste

It could’ve been so much more

[-] voight@hexbear.net 12 points 1 year ago

this made me realize we need a Booru for Fuknslammer posts. it's a crime I can't reply to this with unlimited genocide on the dinosaurs with jungle plant-swathed qin shi huangdi

[-] Salmarez@hexbear.net 23 points 1 year ago

Even as a kid, I wondered why the main villain in the Young Sherlock Holmes was an Egyptian. Better yet, that Egyptian was actually Moriarty! Spielberg was probably still butthurt from the Yom Kippur War.

[-] Salmarez@hexbear.net 16 points 1 year ago

This maybe a very wrong take, but is not Schindler's List also in the end "Not all Nazis"?

[-] fox@hexbear.net 13 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Not really, since every Nazi is depicted as an unrepentant, vicious, brutal, self-interested monster except for Schindler, who gives up everything at great personal risk to save lives, and believes that when the liberators arrive he'll be shot regardless. The movie even goes to some lengths to show how after the war ends a bunch of the Nazis we saw throughout are executed.

[-] Salmarez@hexbear.net 9 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Yeah, but Schindler was still a Nazi. Some Nazis were executed, some were put in the highest tier of North Atlantic Treaty Organization.

[-] WIIHAPPYFEW@hexbear.net 21 points 1 year ago

Sure, the biker gang from down the highway just burned down an entire small town, but the fact that one guy from there shot one of their little cousins is much more important (and it’s the townspeople’s fault for not voting that shooter out when they had the chance anyway (and the gang had a right to burn down their old apartments and force them to move to the town too, and they can use the Main Street as a firing range as much as they want)) smuglord

[-] WIIHAPPYFEW@hexbear.net 14 points 1 year ago

debatebro-l Do you condemn the mayor? Do you condemn the mayor? Do you condemn the mayor? debatebro-r

[-] GnastyGnuts@hexbear.net 20 points 1 year ago

Didn't they already do an October 7th propaganda film? As an aside, I like Jaws and Jurassic Park, but otherwise this guy's movies are boring or completely unappealing to me.

[-] star_wraith@hexbear.net 9 points 1 year ago

Hook is criminally underrated.

[-] TankieTanuki@hexbear.net 7 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

They can make a movie in two months?

I hope someone “accidentally” categorizes it as fiction assuming it’s just gonna parrot settler propaganda.

[-] TheRealChrisR@hexbear.net 8 points 1 year ago

Has anyone here seen The Fabelmans? I really hated that movie. It was nifty when it started and it was 50s nostalgia and how these kooky kids make movies, like the house running out of toilet paper when they make a mummy movie. Then idk Seth Rogen cucks his dad and nobody really seems to care much either way. It leads to a divorce but a super amicable one. Spielberg analogue gets bullied at school but its like one dude leaves a bagel in his locker. Whenever something bad happens, Spielbergs dad buys him film equipment thats really expensive that nobody else wouldve had. Spielberg films his high schools senior skip day, and the jock is like “you made me look too good i can NEVER live up to that. You better not put this in a movie looks at camera and winks” For a day or two after watching the movie I tried thinking about how this scene is about the discrepancy between movies and real life blah blah but then i realized wait its just Spielberg giving himself backhanded compliments. The movie ends with Spielberg going to a movie studio and meeting David Lynch playing John Ford whose only advice is to put the horizon on either the top or the bottom part of the frame. He walks away and the camera adjusts to meet that advice. This ending feels incredibly tacked on and couldve easily felt more natural with a ten second reshoots scene of Young Spielberg fretting about shot composition.

Idk watching the movie will make you way less impressed with Spielberg. Yeah if i had a 1946 birth year headstart, tons of neighborhood kids willing to act/crew in my movie and a rich Dad who works for IBM who constantly kept buying me film equipment, maybe I coulda been Spielberg too. Most people couldve been.

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