And Carney did cancel the DST, and is fast-tracking LNG projects owned by Trump allies, and continues to put money down of F-35s, and now cancelled the streaming tax. Oh and signed contracts with a little old company called Palantir.

Genuinely asking: what would he have to do? Where is the line?

[–] Hazzard@lemmy.zip 8 points 11 hours ago* (last edited 11 hours ago) (1 children)

Appeasement would be things like worrying about the US's reaction and increasing reliance on them. Or doing stupid things like assisting Trump with his little Middle East hissyfit when he keeps asking.

Instead we're making deals with China, America's biggest enemy, and we're deeply increasing ties with the EU, to the point that EU leaders are joking about membership.

Unfortunately, we do have deep ties to the US, that we've built over centuries, deliberately suiciding that relationship would be economically catastrophic, and I have to say I'm really happy with how quickly we're working to build external relationships.

Our reliance on the US is rapidly decreasing, and we're building relationships for our key industries, such as large defence contracts with the EU, where we can now sell weapons there on similar terms as member states.

That said, I'm as unhappy as anyone with stuff like the Palantir deal, and I don't know that we need F-35s either, but these things move really slowly, and I'm sympathetic that there's good reasons not to rock the boat with the US more than necessary. We're fighting plenty on the really important things, we can't die on every hill without directly hurting the quality of life of Canadians.

[–] patatas@sh.itjust.works -1 points 3 hours ago

Our reliance on the US is rapidly decreasing

based on what metric? Carney is pushing for increased oil extraction by US companies, and LNG terminals owned by Trump allies. Just in the last day or two Canada cancelled the streaming tax. Then there's the combo of Bill C-22 and the CLOUD act, which would essentially share ALL our data with the US surveillance state. Canada is routinely turning over refugees to ICE. The federal government continues to sign contracts with companies like Garda and Roshel who are contracting with ICE. We have failed to do anything to help Cuba - yet Mexico is doing so and is suffering no horrifying consequences. And when Carney invokes MAGA we think he's just playing games? What would it take to change your mind?

[–] ValueSubtracted@startrek.website 6 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

Trump demanded increased NATO spending and the countries did it. This isn’t rocket science.

No, it's not rocket science. Trump continually threatens to abandon NATO and its allies, so everyone else has to pick up the slack. Not because he wants it, but because it's an absolute necessity. I really don't see a credible argument that Canada shouldn't be investing in defence.

MAGA is a white supremacist phrase through and through. There is no excuse for repeating it.

A defensible position to take, but I think Carney's intent in using it is fairly clear, whether you agree with it or not.

And Carney did cancel the DST

That's why I used it as an example. The article should have, but didn't. There are a number of things that could legitmately be held up as examples of "appeasement," but I don't think the article did so.

[–] patatas@sh.itjust.works 1 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

No, it’s not rocket science. Trump continually threatens to abandon NATO and its allies, so everyone else has to pick up the slack. Not because he wants it, but because it’s an absolute necessity. I really don’t see a credible argument that Canada shouldn’t be investing in defence.

No one is saying "Canada shouldn't be investing in defence", they are saying we shouldn't be doubling or tripling our military budget to satisfy Trump's demands, and that we should take a "diplomacy first" approach to conflict. Anyway, for comparison: Iran's total military budget IIRC is $8 billion. We already spend many times this amount. Besides, NATO has only ever come to the aid of the US, never the other way around.

[–] ValueSubtracted@startrek.website 1 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

we shouldn’t be doubling or tripling our military budget to satisfy Trump’s demands

I simply don't think many people would agree that that's the reason we're doing it.

[–] patatas@sh.itjust.works 1 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

policy by polling is not a good way to form your own opinion. Do you think we should be doubling or tripling our military budget?

[–] ValueSubtracted@startrek.website 1 points 2 hours ago

I thought it was pretty clear that I do, for the reasons already stated.

[–] kent_eh@lemmy.ca 3 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

Trump demanded increased NATO spending and the countries did it.

Yes, but Trump assumed they would do that spending with the USA's millitary vendors.

And then those countries that he has been threatening and bullying decided to find better suppliers!

[–] patatas@sh.itjust.works 1 points 3 hours ago

we have continued to put down money on more F-35s. Most of the suppliers at CANSEC were American. Do you have numbers to share on your claims here?