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[–] Lulzagna@lemmy.world 46 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (3 children)

It's only divisive for stupid people - carbon tax is the simplest solution to curbing carbon output. Also, it's not expensive when the money goes right back to the tax payers

[–] SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

But it didn't work. People just pay to burn, even if that means going into debt. You think a tax will stop Terry two tonnne from buying his new truck? No, he bought his truck and dragged Fuck Trudeau flags off the back. Stupid people are poor.

It's not the simplest solution, the simplest solution is ban inefficient vehicles from the roads, and restrict commuting to mass transit. Change building codes for house sizes, and solar roofs. Financial incentives don't work.

[–] Lulzagna@lemmy.world 5 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Holy misinformation.

It did work. And over 80% of people got money back - it inadvertently worked as wealth distribution, so Canadians were better off financially with it.

[–] SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca 0 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Holy misinformation.

It did work

When you correct for lockdown, it certainly did not work. Feel free to provide references.

[–] jerkface@lemmy.ca 1 points 11 hours ago* (last edited 11 hours ago)

This doesn't show the effect of the intervention. It's not enough to show that Canada has merely flattened out. It's disappointing and it "didn't work" in the sense that we still need to reduce emissions a lot, but you would have to show what the effects would have been expected without the intervention.

The full-size pickup graph especially seems like a distraction. So let me raise mine. Animal ag produces more emissions than all categories of transportation combined, and it has zero benefit. We all need transportation and shipping, but each of us could reduce our animal ag consumption to essentially nothing overnight. And yet, it's all about cars? I'm the most fuck cars guy around, but that's stupid.

[–] TBi@lemmy.world 20 points 2 days ago (2 children)

These stupid people vote though. So…

[–] SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Even stupider people don't vote, which amplifies the right.

[–] Radical_Socialist_t00t@lemmy.ca 5 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (2 children)

Yeah thats a big problem tbh Nothing worthwhile is ever gonna change while stupid people can still vote...

[–] LostWon@lemmy.ca 3 points 2 days ago

For someone with your username, that sounds incredibly eugenicist (choosing who can vote), and more typical of someone who believes in liberalism to say (the elitism in blaming people who fall for the propaganda instead of the propagandists themselves). Surely this kind of language plays a part in disenfranchising people who are simply misinformed. Kind of counterproductive.

[–] TBi@lemmy.world 2 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Well it could be better if we could get more smart people to vote. But the smart ppl are too busy working.

[–] GreyEyedGhost@piefed.ca 3 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Incorrect. The real solution is to get rid of stupid people. Most stupid people are just poorly educated, particularly in logic and critical thinking. There are very few courses that even touch on those topics, and the majority could easily be taught, especially at a young age. So why don't we? There are those who argue that we don't because that would harm those in power and as the years go by I find it harder to disagree with that assessment.

Also, if you're smart and you don't see the value in taking the time to vote for those who aren't actively working against your best interests because you're too busy working, you're either stuck in a dystopian hellhole or you're not smart (in the area of critical thinking).

[–] jerkface@lemmy.ca 1 points 11 hours ago* (last edited 10 hours ago) (1 children)

Ha ha ha, right. You will lose your war on stupidity so resoundingly, it will give you near-fatal perplexation.

Stupidity is found uniformly across all classes and divisions of humans. Every percentile IQ has the same stupidity. Every social and financial class. Educating people doesn't make them do fewer stupid things. Giving people access to reason and logic doesn't prevent them from doing stupid things. Stupidity is completely orthogonal to the concepts you think oppose it.

[–] GreyEyedGhost@piefed.ca 1 points 9 hours ago

Alright, what do you believe causes stupidity in humans? Remember, you can't use the hand-wave of "it's endemic to the condition," because that's just a fancy way of saying we dont know yet.

[–] CanadianCarl@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I am not smart, but I voted for both NDP for the Provincial, and Federal elections. In my county, the results were both for Conservative. We got Doug Ford.

[–] SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 day ago

We got Doug Ford because 22% of stupid people voted, but more stupid people did not vote.

This is because the Ontario political parties are indistinguishable from each other and the left ignored workers.

[–] otter@lemmy.ca 14 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (3 children)

Should have called it the "polluter tax and rebate"

Or even "carbon tax and cash back" system

[–] GreyEyedGhost@piefed.ca 7 points 2 days ago

Some people just choose to be stupid, and other people abuse that. I've heard someone complain that 15-minute cities are cities where you aren't allowed to go more than 15 minutes from your home. She saw it on YouTube, so it had to be right.

[–] twopi@lemmy.ca 5 points 2 days ago

They should have physically mailed the cheques to people. And have all financial institutions have a separate account just for the rebate so people could see the amount in their banking app or statements but could only access it if they cached the cheques.

DoFo mailed out cheques before the last election.

The alternate universe where it was set up and marketed differently would be interesting to see.