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[–] turdas@suppo.fi 16 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

Iran was being sanctioned before the attack too. A lot of people act like any enemy of Trump is their ally, but this is not so.

[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml 8 points 1 day ago (3 children)

Nobody is claiming that. This is just an idiotic straw man. You don't have to support the government in Iran to understand that invading countries is wrong. What the fuck is wrong with you people?

[–] AlexLost@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago
[–] turdas@suppo.fi 4 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I did not claim that starting a war on Iran was OK. I said that sanctioning them is OK. Sanctions on Iran should not stop just because of Trump's idiotic war.

[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml 6 points 1 day ago (1 children)

The Lancet has published data concluding that US imposed sanctions cause the deaths of more than 564,000 people each year. More than half of the dead are children under the age of 5. If that's what you support, you're utterly sick.

[–] turdas@suppo.fi -1 points 1 day ago (2 children)

If open trade with, and therefore support of, a totalitarian theocratic regime that just killed tens of thousands of protestors is what you support, you're just as sick.

[–] mrdown@lemmy.world 5 points 1 day ago

The ten thousands of protesters numbers comes from iranint backed by saudi arabia. Not to say that the regime did not intentionally killed protesters. All the usa is responsible of millions of death and iarael is doing a genocide

[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml -3 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Way to try justify starving children fash.

[–] turdas@suppo.fi -2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Iran doesn't have starving children.

[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml -3 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)
[–] CanadaPlus -5 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Why? Borders are imaginary.

Marx knew that.

[–] mrdown@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I am not a tankie and I have the same opinion cna you provide a real argument now?

[–] CanadaPlus -2 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

Mmm, I recognise you. Pretty sure you are.

But sure: Borders are imaginary. True, yes? Then why does crossing them change whether an action is right or wrong.

[–] mrdown@lemmy.world 2 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

I never said borders are imaginary

[–] CanadaPlus -2 points 19 hours ago* (last edited 19 hours ago)

I know.

You want to rebut the idea, then?

[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml 0 points 1 day ago (1 children)

that must've sounded really clever in your head

[–] CanadaPlus -2 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Am I wrong? You definitely can't see or touch them.

The USSR also initiated a few invasions.

[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Not only are you wrong, but you're also exposing yourself as not having any capacity for critical thought. If you bothered actually reading Marx, then you'd know that he never argued for abolishing the state under current conditions. You're like a chat bot quoting things without any context. Also, nice whataboutism there kiddo.

[–] CanadaPlus -1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Yeah, he was expecting there'd eventually be a global revolution... that would disregard borders.

[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

What he was actually expecting was that the contradictions of capitalism will cause the system to implode on itself, which is precisely what we see unfolding today.

[–] CanadaPlus -1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

He was pretty clearly not just writing about the English proletariat, or the German. Except there wasn't really a Germany the same way at all at the time, because borders are imaginary.

[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

The only thing that's clear is that you've never read Marx, and there's no point trying to have a discussion with somebody who's ignorant on the subject they're attempting to debate. I've already addressed your claim earlier by the way. You're just rehashing the same bullshit here like a parrot.

[–] CanadaPlus 0 points 20 hours ago* (last edited 19 hours ago) (1 children)

I have. Even Kapital, through my bleeding eyes. You and me have conversed about it before.

No you didn't, you basically reached for a canned insult, and then made an unrelated claim about something you'd prefer talking about. If you're going to be evasive, you clearly aren't very proud of your ideas, and you're right that it's a waste of our time.

[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml 2 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

If you had, then you wouldn't be spewing the nonsense that you are here. If you're going to lie at least don't make it so obvious. Nobody is being evasive here. I'm calling out your bullshit here and explaining to you why your claim is factually incorrect. Take the L, admit you're wrong, and move on like a grown ass adult instead of continuing to make a clown of yourself here. It's frankly pathetic.

[–] CanadaPlus 1 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

Are borders real, yes, no or sometimes?

[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml 0 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

Borders are a social contract, they're as real as any other human construct. Let me know if you're still struggling with this and need me to use smaller words.

[–] CanadaPlus 1 points 3 hours ago* (last edited 3 hours ago) (1 children)

Thank you!

It's essentially a (very rough) social contract between one national ruling class and another, though. The only real experience ordinary people have with them is being stopped at customs or deported. Basically, it's a capitalist/mercantilist/feudal contract, that dates back to European 1500's or somewhere thereabouts (edit: mid 1600's).

I'm not going to argue with you about it at this point, but it doesn't seem like it matches, to me.

[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 hour ago

And given that capitalism is the dominant ideology in the world today, it should be obvious that borders must exist. Glad you figured this out.

[–] avidamoeba@lemmy.ca 7 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

With the express and publicly stated purpose to bring so much physical economic pain to the people so that they revolt against the gov't.

[–] turdas@suppo.fi -1 points 1 day ago (2 children)

The alternative is to trade with the totalitarian regime, which serves to keep them in power. If you could support the people but not the regime then of course that would be the best course of action, but that is not how it works.

[–] mrdown@lemmy.world 7 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

We are trading wit an tolitarian regime called saudi arabia. It is not of canada goddamn business to force iraninas to take out their own regime. It ia not like Iran want to attack Canada.

We all know all the sanctions are there simply because Iran was made an enemy of the usa and israel

[–] avidamoeba@lemmy.ca 4 points 1 day ago* (last edited 19 hours ago)

I presume you care about the nature of the Iranian gov't because of its impact on the Iranian people. If that's the case, you should check how sanctions are affecting the people of Iran and in general what outcomes regime-change sanctions have produced around the world. Cause it may turn out that the sanctions hurt the people you care about a lot more and for a lot longer than the gov't you'd like to see gone.

Also check under what conditions better governments emerge out of worse ones. Hint: it tends not to be under severe sanctions.