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[-] Tachanka@hexbear.net 106 points 8 months ago

register new twitter account

put palestinian flag in bio

say some holocaust denial bullshit to make palestinians look antisemitic

collect paycheck from CIA

all in a day's work

[-] RyanGosling@hexbear.net 30 points 8 months ago
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[-] newerAccountWhoDis@hexbear.net 21 points 8 months ago

Plenty of committed 'supporters of Palestine' do this, no need for feds to troll.

CW antisemitism, holocaust gloryfication

I've heard 'Hamas, Hamas, Jews into the gas' chants during demonstrations. Just don't be these people.

[-] marxisthayaca@hexbear.net 11 points 8 months ago

What the fuck? They shut those chants down right?

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[-] jayWL@lemmy.ml 80 points 8 months ago

While I guess there will be a few Holocaust-denying shitheads even on "our side" (and fuck them, obviously), I want to believe that the high profile ones are fakes created by Zionists, to shit on the pro-Palestine position

[-] FlakesBongler@hexbear.net 74 points 8 months ago

As is usual, sometimes it'sfedposting but sometimes it's just good old-fashionedbrainworms

[-] AutomatedPossum@hexbear.net 67 points 8 months ago

When somebody's reactionary enough to be fedposting, i still treat them like a reactionary. Fedjacketing people who are nominally on your side is dangerous, it leads to toxicity and paranoia within your community in ways that calling out reactionary takes doesn't. Such actors want you to be suspicious of your own movement, it's in wreckers' interest to normalize accusations of being a fed.

[-] RyanGosling@hexbear.net 19 points 8 months ago

Agreed. They should be shamed, ridiculed, and kicked out of any community they’re apart of. They should be treated as dumbasses and/or reactionaries, and if they splinter and other people in the org join them, then you’ll know who the feds/reactionaries are without having to cause paranoia

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[-] FunkyStuff@hexbear.net 43 points 8 months ago

Look, there is basically no organized left anywhere in the US, and barely anything in Western Europe. If people are getting radicalized against zionism, there's fascists that are out there seeking to turn that potential into more brownshirts. It's not hard to believe that, with no progressive movement to guide antizionist action, many confused antizionists are gonna be misled by bad actors, especially online where all the Thiel money has created vast networks and pipelines leading people into esoteric far right ideologies instead of socialism.

That doesn't mean Hasbara doesn't play both sides, of course, but chances are that yeah these people do exist and we need to try harder to get antizionists to be good leftists, not reactionaries.

[-] blakeus12@hexbear.net 58 points 8 months ago

this is really messed up. comrades don't say this shit, don't believe this shit. the nazis were very litigious in their sick genocide and there is extensive evidence of the holocaust. fuck antisemitism, and fuck people who legitimately use anti-zionism as an excuse for it when it isnt.

[-] betelgeuse@hexbear.net 58 points 8 months ago

It's very simple. Radical ideologies spring from oppressive material conditions. When there is no scientific framework to guide the rage and revolutionary potential, you end up with shit like Zionism. You also end up with shit like Hoteps and White Nationalists and every other non-leftist stab at answering the question of "To who does the boot on my neck belong?"

Just because Zionists are liars and terrible people doesn't mean the holocaust didn't happen. They're evidence that it happened along with generations of trauma forced on Jewish people. If there wasn't virulent antisemitism and Western Capitalism didn't conspire to make its own state, then Zionists would be about as powerful as Hoteps. They have state power precisely because the capital owning class gave it to them out of their own desire to isolate Jewish people from the rest of the world.

[-] SexMachineStalin@hexbear.net 53 points 8 months ago

Holcaust denialism also gets the hamas-red-triangle

[-] Evilphd666@hexbear.net 52 points 8 months ago

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Wonder where she gets her holocaust denialism from thonk

Zionists abuse the memory of the Holocaust to excuse away all the fascism stuff they do. The Holocaust happened. It is one of the most documented genocides in history.

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[-] laziestflagellant@hexbear.net 47 points 8 months ago

65% chance of channer, 30% chance of fed or Zionist troll, 5% chance of actual human being who's being an idiot imo

[-] beef_curds@hexbear.net 24 points 8 months ago

People were saying they've been doing this regularly. My money's on channer thinking they can peel off some idiots.

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[-] atturaya@lemmygrad.ml 46 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

silly that there's been so much focus on this tweet. practically every account I follow has been quote tweeting it the past few days 'dunking' on it - all it does is play into the narrative that all anti-israel protests are anti-semitic. some random moron on twitter engaged in holocaust denial, who cares, that's not exactly a rare sight. this isn't a serious problem, no one on this website needs to be told "don't do this".

[-] Phish@hexbear.net 30 points 8 months ago

That's the classic tactic. Find the absolute worst fringe takes and amplify them to paint an entire group with the same brush. It works pretty well since people are happy to believe the worst about their opposition.

[-] Awoo@hexbear.net 19 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

They did this with feminism to get the mra and redpill community off the ground. Quite successfully damaged it to this day. People really bought into that whole psycho feminist sjw shit at the time.

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[-] kristina@hexbear.net 44 points 8 months ago

straight to gulag, do not pass go

[-] TomBombadil@hexbear.net 39 points 8 months ago

The Holocaust story that's bogus is that America saved the world from fascism instead of the USSR.

[-] SoyViking@hexbear.net 37 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

Either this is some bad faith actor in which case he is a disgusting fascist or he is being sincere in which case he is a disgusting moron well on his way to becoming a fascist.

Either way, he doesn't speak for the anti-genocide movement. Neither in Palestine or abroad. Those supporting Palestinian liberation are nearly unanimously supporting a free Palestine in which Jews and Muslims can live together as equals. They are shocked and revolted by the zionist genocide in Palestine for exactly the same reason they are shocked and revolted by the Holocaust.

[-] GrouchyGrouse@hexbear.net 37 points 8 months ago

Rebranding genocide denial as "just asking questions" might be the apex manifestation of smuglord

[-] joaomarrom@hexbear.net 37 points 8 months ago

Assuming that this is a sincere post by a real person (which it might very well not be), this is further evidence that zionism is a hugely powerful driver of antisemitism... Israel is essentially working as hard as it can to associate the Star of David to one of the cruelest, most shocking atrocities of the 21st century: there's a flag flying over a pile of rubble that once used to be a school, and there's a symbol on that flag.

[-] itappearsthat@hexbear.net 30 points 8 months ago

The zionist project benefits from increases in antisemitism around the world, because they've positioned themselves as the final lifeboat for Jewish people.

[-] RyanGosling@hexbear.net 24 points 8 months ago

They actively fund antisemitism through campaign/NGO donations towards fascist politicians and businessmen. And in the case of Ukraine, straight up Nazi militias. It shouldn’t be a surprise that the GOP have people screaming about Jewish space lasers while also calling Israel America’s greatest ally, or that the ADL praising Elon for visiting Israel after saying Jews control the world.

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[-] SoyViking@hexbear.net 17 points 8 months ago

I read a report about antisemitic incidents put out by my country's Jewish community. Of the incidents described one was old-school Nazi shit, one or two were traditional western antisemitism and everything else was people misdirecting justified anger over the occupation of Palestine towards Jewish individuals and towards Jewish religious institutions.

The best thing that could happen for Jews would be Palestinian liberation. It would remove the material base for 90% of antisemitism and make them much safer.

[-] Tankiedesantski@hexbear.net 16 points 8 months ago

Not only that, but the Israeli govt lies regularly about massacres and casualties to fit it's narrative. If one doesn't disassociate Israel from Jews (which the Israeli govt certainly doesn't) then the conclusion one might draw about Jews is not flattering.

[-] taiphlosion@lemmygrad.ml 36 points 8 months ago

All the things the US lies about and this is what you don't believe? 🤦🏿‍♂️

[-] IceWallowCum@hexbear.net 35 points 8 months ago

This is why every lib in this site should be actively organizing to control the narrative. If someone doesn't get their "free Palestine" from a commie, they'll get it from a nazi.

Find a communist org that is already doing this job and get to organizing, or get some like-minded friends and start it yourselves. The resources you need are all over this site

[-] IceWallowCum@hexbear.net 22 points 8 months ago

It's also extremely important to support anti-zionist jewish organizers. They're the ones that are supposed to occupy the vacuum left by zionazis

[-] grandepequeno@hexbear.net 32 points 8 months ago

Ethan Klein is going to pull this up the next time he gets criticized in 4 months

[-] Notcontenttobequiet@hexbear.net 28 points 8 months ago

I got in an argument with my mother a few years ago about support for Palestine / criticism of Israel. Her argument was basically "we just can't tell apart the antisemites from the legitimate support so we just shouldn't have a movement." It makes me think that the Washington Post decides to write about posts like this every once and awhile and actually write things like that. "but sorry the whole movement is antisemitic" and that's where we get that absolutely fucking insane argument from.

[-] NewLeaf@hexbear.net 11 points 8 months ago

"we can't tell the difference..."

And how is that the problem of the people trying to stop a genocide?

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[-] Skeleton_Erisma@hexbear.net 26 points 8 months ago

I'm convinced they're a plant/provoker that's was created by the Israeli propaganda machine to cause FUD

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[-] SorosFootSoldier@hexbear.net 26 points 8 months ago

I knew this exact thing was going to happen. You're going to have people pushing the lie that "oh the jews lied about oct 7th so they lied about the holocaust" and unfortunately it's going to attract people.

[-] RyanGosling@hexbear.net 23 points 8 months ago

Zionists are literally invoking the Holocaust and wishing it on Palestinians and even some Jews. So goofy that these people over “correct” to the point of somehow being more wrong than the neo Nazis in Israel

[-] Maoo@hexbear.net 21 points 8 months ago

You do not gotta hand it to them

[-] Cummunism@hexbear.net 21 points 8 months ago

truly the most disappointing thing is that now all the Nazis screaming about Zionism are now at least part correct

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[-] BioWarfarePosadist@hexbear.net 21 points 8 months ago

So for all we know this is a fake person who is the sock puppet of an actual zionist who wants to make anti-zionists and Palestine supporters look bad.

Even though I know by all evidence that it would maybe be a bad thing: the anonymous internet needs to die. Every comment needs to have like a name, address and age, as well as latest ID picture. People should not be allowed to be free from the consequences. No more hiding behind sixteen accounts and making the narrative that thousands of people support something when it's actually just shy of a hundred people who actually support the bad shit in the world.

To reiterate, I KNOW THIS A HALF ASSED THOUGHT OUT BELIEF THAT I HAVE NOT PUT MUCH THEORY INTO. I know it would harm leftist a lot. I am just sick of the internet as it exists, and if someone put out a drastic measure like this, well I just want to grill.

[-] DamarcusArt@lemmygrad.ml 14 points 8 months ago

Under a socialist state it would be fine, though yeah, under capitalism, putting a person's real life name to all their internet activity would just be abused.

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[-] oregoncom@hexbear.net 18 points 8 months ago

I still think israel has a moral obligation to nuke germany.

[-] keepcarrot@hexbear.net 12 points 8 months ago

Making a case for a slice of Italy on the basis the Romans created the diaspora

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[-] Goblin@hexbear.net 18 points 8 months ago

The Holocaust story is a little sus. Historians are afraid to bring up the demon portal nazis opened up. Play theory.

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[-] SerLava@hexbear.net 15 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

fucking deep cover Zionist, either in actuality or in effect

[-] zifnab25@hexbear.net 12 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

First they came for the REDACTED and I said nothing because Zionist Tears are delicious.

No idea what happened next

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