I'm tired of figuring out what's gay or straight. I just wanna fuck in peace.
This seems to be the attitude of most I encounter nowadays. I think every friend I have who I've asked about their sexuality tend to reply "I dunno, I just like what I like."
It seems the labels are slowly starting to lose their use, which to me is a good thing. It means we're getting to the point where we don't need it to feel normal anymore because it's just normal by default. We're not quite there yet, but it shows we're moving in the right direction.
Not that people can't use labels if it makes them more comfortable, I'm just glad more people are starting not to need them because they're already accepted.
I like the meme but let's get that straight (no pun intended): both tomboys and femboys break out of the gender binary. Their very existence puts heteronormativity into question. If a boy can look like a girl and be it just having long hair, that's the beginning of the end of an oppressive system that should end as soon as possible.
this is the way uwu~
I agree, and that's for the best, fuck oppressive gender stereotypes.
I like your optimism but we will always be a minority that will be thrown under the bus when the economy goes bad.
The tragic hilarity of toxic masculinity is that it strives to define "a man" by what he isn't, in an attempt to preserve an exclusive and narrowly defined top slot of a social hierarchy. But all one has to do is claim behaviors as a different group, and the definition contracts accordingly. At the same time, the fact that said "masculine" definition is malleable to the point of sheer fiction, evades everyone in that group.
Sound alike the gymnastics to define racial categories to preserve a social hierarchy as well. What is white? Well it's people from here and here, not Irish, not Jewish, etc. Oh wait, Irish are allowed now but not Okies. Okay, they're allowed now but no Jews! Now, Jewish can be allowed sometimes but no Italians. Alright, Italians, but no Jews, Irish are also okay, some Hispanic people if they can pass, certain Asians can be let in, etc. Etc. It always go on like that. It stays malleable just to make it exclusive.
Men is what my ooga booga caveman brain defines as not female and not unkown. Non-binary folk are unkown to caveman brain for example. Trans women are women and same with trans men. Femboys are close enough to female that ooga booga caveman brain wants to put dick in some.
Reject modern prescriptivism, embrace caveman brain descriptivism!
Depends on why you’re attracted to them? Obviously it’s a spectrum but if you’re attracted to feminine qualities, that’s pretty straight.
I figured out that I'm attracted to femeninity. What's between the legs doesn't really matter to me. My girlfriend told me that it makes me part of the community and not just an ally like I've always called myself.
Gynesexual/gynosexual people: Individuals who experience sexual attraction toward women, females, and/or femininity, regardless of whether they were assigned female at birth.
https://www.umass.edu/stonewall/sites/default/files/documents/allyship_term_handout.pdf
What about if you think some trans women are gorgeous and you'd totally kiss them, but you're not into penises? Would that fall into the same sort of category?
Not that it really matters because attraction is a very fluid thing that can be difficult to specify, but I'm curious.
Enbies entered the chat.
Nonbinary identities kinda break the idea of straight or gay since straightness or gayness are depended on the gender of the person, so when that gender is outside of the binary it doesn't work right.
Binary.exe stopped working.
We are on lemmy we can acknowledge the .BLOB file type.
I don't get all of these labels, to be honest.
Creating a whole spectrum of labels seems like the wrong direction - if I'm attracted to someone, that's all there is to it. The rest don't matter, especially if it's about other people's relationships, then all the more so - that's their business, and as long as nobody is getting harmed, then we need to support them.
This was a popular mindset when I was a teen. We always said "labels are for soup cans" when it comes to sexuality.
I kinda agree, but also want to offer a different perspective. I agree that the more specific labels are not efficient for communication in most cases, because nobody knows all of them and it's easier to just say who you find attractive.
However, they can still be useful to discover more about yourself. As someone who's aromantic and asexual I've found that many of the labels in the community caused me to ask myself the question "how do I feel about this". Before finding "my" labels I just kinda felt like "nope" about anything related to relationships, but all the more specific labels and spectra have made it much more clear to me what I want and what I don't want. They also provide a way for people to find others with the same experiences as them, which can feel incredibly validating.
These specific labels are a jargon for queer people, they make sense in their context, but are not useful when trying to communicate with most people from outside of the community.
But what if I'm attracted to androgyny? I feel like a lot if people are and I don't know a word for that.
For reference I'm talking about memes like: My taste in women: Picture of LeanBeefPatty My taste in men: Picture of F1nnster
I think finnster had some coming out video, so might not be accurate anymore. But I see similar memes a lot.
I'm wildly attracted to both of those people and just call it Bisexuality. Classifying attraction is kinda dumb anyway, as there's no point in setting up heuristics that will have that many edge cases and exceptions.
I also call it bi - but I'm 40, I think younger people are more fluid and open to other labels.
Being straight and being attracted to women who present less femme could just be straight-with-a-preference or -type, could be bi/pan, could be higher on the Kinsey scale, or the existing but niche terms are flixisexual (/romantic), skoliosexual, or could even be androgynesexual, or androsexual (attracted to masculine traits, regardless of birth gender)
f1nn5ter man?
I strongly recommend reading their (utterly fascinating) Wikipedia page. I'll just screw up the details by re-hashing it here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/F1NN5TER
Or maybe a conversation driver. Y'all tell me.
Edit: definitely a conversation driver, after all.
Important takeaway if you don't watch the linked (4min vlogbrothers) video: "[...] A question like "Is butt legs?" does demand engagement. [...]"
I recently realized that the straightness category is very analogous to whiteness.
If a cis person were to date an agender enby, they might be heterosexual by virtue of being sexually attracted to someone of a different phenotypical gender/sex, but would probably not be considered straight. Despite the enby being hetero to the cis person, people might call them homos, even if the enby was AMAB and the cis person was a woman.
This is why people see attraction to trans people as not straight. If the chick has a dick or the dude doesn't, it just doesn't feel straight to cis people. Even if the trans person had The Surgery^TM^, the fact that they're not "normal" makes attraction to them not straight to these freaks.
Just like conceptions of whiteness, male/female, and pornography, straightness is really based on vibes rather than strict criteria. This allows the category to be used as a tool of exclusion and oppression, given legitimacy by its supposed ties to objective measures.
Straight =/= heterosexual. Liking femboys is gay, liking tomboys is gay, liking trans people is gay. An AMAB transfem & an AFAB transmasc in a trans for trans relationship aren't straight, even though they aren't homosexual from any coherent perspective. Straightness isn't coherent beyond separating normal from queer. All heterosexual people can find a trans person hot if we pass, and many will find us hotter if they know we're trans.
I'm bi with obvious bias towards femme presenting people, and some scummier gay men (those that forgot 2000's homophobia and now are transphobes on the same tropes) did harass me for being a "spicy heterosexual into getting pegged".
I think part of the issue with these terms losing meaning is because we stopped using them as intended. Straight Gay and Bi were just the entry points in delivering vital info about what sexual organs you had and which ones you were engaging in sex acts with. Under old school definitions that would list me as Straight because I have a penis, and am only interested in engaging in sex with a vagina. Now, because it does not matter to me whether the person who has a vag is a man or woman, under the newer definitions I am bi. So the system made sense for the original system we set it up in, but its breaking down in our more modern way of thinking
edit: Side note, I especially like how this effectively makes me Shroedingers Gay, as I am either Straight or Bi depending on whos looking
That's it, absolutely. It's bigotry in language form. The only people who care about what qualifies as "straight" are those who shun those different from themselves.
Dude is thinking about this so hard he fell asleep before sex. Just admit your enby or bi. Its easier than trying to explain why. Its not your problem if people don't like femboys. Femboys are beautiful.
I think they're implying that they had sex but that he's still contemplating it. There's a bunch of condoms hanging off the nightstand lol
Not to Mention that he don’t wear the tank top anymore.
Can't we just move past the whole gay straight thing. We all like somethint and it's certainly almost never just black and white
Oh oh, I had this exact train of thought recently! The femboy part downward, at least.
It set off an introspective spiral for a little while that made me recontextualize a whole bunch of shit throughout my life. Turns out not only am I bi, but it has actually been kind of really obvious the whole time.
/shrug
Ooh, my favorite. Girls that look like boys and boys that look like girls, as well as anyone who generally looks androgynous.
Hello, I'm here to change your sexuality, there is no such thing as straight or gay, in my opinion we are all pansexual, but some of us are gynephilic (attracted to feminity) others androphilic (attracted to masculinity) some are both.
Of course women can be masculine and men can be feminine, what matters is presentation, you're attracted to presentation not gender.
Ergo if a femboy is so feminine that you're attracted to them it's normal, it just means you like feminine presenting individuals. (Means you're straight, but what does straight even mean bruh)
However there is something important to take into account, romantical attraction, you can only want to date women but like a more manly presentation in that case you are still androphilic BUT you're romantically attracted to women. Which is probably an oversimplification of butch lesbianism, or liking tomboys.
This is my theory on the subject, it's probably flawed somewhere but I need other eyes to see it.
All in all, like who you want, be who you want.
I think I'm more attracted to tomboys but I know I'm straight
What's with changing her art style suddenly? It looks like he's in bed with a 4 year old
They both changed art style
It's a common trope in anime commonly done to highlight a silly situation
Her?
Liking tomboys and/or femboys is always in alignment with any allosexual orientation
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