Eh, they got me to not automatically hate socialism. And now I'm on here arguing with internet randoms that Cuba, Vietnam, and the USSR are awesome. It's a process.

What does the signpost say in the original?

Truly one of the worst hives of genocide enthusiasts on Lemmy

I would simply not vote in favor of genocide

I'm not voting for a genocider. Im not sure how many more times I have to type this out coming into the election.

It's very misleading to say democrats are trying to push for a ceasefire, when democrats are all on board for continuing supporting Israel and their genocide against Palestine. And why wouldn't they when Israel is pretty much a place that allows the United States to continue to have a foothold in West Asia? To add, Biden who is a democrat, has no problem with what Israel has been doing.

Damn, it's almost as if the entire system is fucked up and should be replaced

They're not trying to get a ceasefire. Withholding arms would create one faster than the current status quo.

Your good faith assumption of an ongoing 10 month genocide is not naive but willful and spiteful ignorance.

Fuck off and fuck you

The choice is demonstrably not binary. The very fact that many Americans are refusing to vote for genocide is what made the Democrats gesture towards a ceasefire in the first place. If you fall in line and promise Kamala your vote regardless of any action against the genocide, you are telling the Democrats to keep killing Palestinians because that issue is not important enough to sway you. If you make a racket, protest, and tell as many people as possible not to support the genocide, you are actually providing the Dems with a positive case to abandon support for 'Israel.'

This line of thinking is probably a bit questionable to you, because it's just not consistent with history (if you are familiar) where American imperialist policy continues despite domestic unrest. We'd like to think that our actions to hold politicians accountable are pushing them towards making the world better. But in reality, as long as capital is the driving force behind American Foreign Policy, any capitulations toward the working class are only temporary compromises to be taken away as soon as possible. Divesting away from participating in elections for bourgeois parties is the ideologically consistent move for communists, because participating in them grants legitimacy to a 'democratic' process that is more concerned with absorbing the energy that would go into effecting change, rather than being the vehicle for effecting change. The pressure we exert on the DNC to change course vis a vis 'Israel' is only going to cause, at most, a temporary shift in tactics, while maintaining the strategic focus on ethnic cleansing to secure a future for America's unsinkable aircraft carrier.

Do notice, however, that both analyses give us a very simple prescription: you are, under no circumstances, to vote for a candidate that is giving support to a genocide.

I would rather literally kill myself than vote for genocide, fuck off. Arms embargo or I walk.

lol

Well when our only electoral options are Nazis, what does that tell you about the legitimacy of the US's "democracy"?

That's a lot of words to say you support genocide

Just

Rube

Let me rephrase those first two lines for you

The democrats are providing military aid to an ethnic cleansing and are content to be 'bullied' by a power that is massively dependent upon them, despite their base wanting them to stop, implying they do this willingly

Meanwhile, the republicans will probably provide more military aid to the same ethnic cleansing, also willingly

Oh what a massive difference there is between the 2 parties I can scarcely recognize them as of the same universe

Why do you believe Democrats are legitimately pursuing a ceasefire, if they know their "version" of a ceasefire won't solve anything and the US benefits massively from supporting Israel?

Both parties are aligned on foreign policy. Both parties are aligned in interest.

The Democrats are providing military aide to Israel while trying to push a ceasefire and getting Hamas 100% on board with the terms

By pushing terms like 'the ceasefire is not permanent and we will continue to help Pissrael carry out the genocide against you'? Laughable.

Meanwhile, Trump thinks Israel is not genociding hard enough and needs to wipe out the Palestinians faster

The same applies to the USian Dems, so there's no difference here.

Third options don’t exist in American politics

If we are talking strictly about voting, then you also have the options of not voting or voting third party. You don't lose anything by doing so, even, considering that both parts of your uniparty share the same policies.

Then there is only one option. Coup their gov.