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For anyone seeing this in greater, lemmy, I am making fun of this because it is including people like Hasan Piker, Cori Bush, and Greta Thunberg as antisemites which is ridiculous. I'm only somewhat aware of Bassem Youssef and don't think he is an antisemite either and I don't know who Jess Natale is (I also didn't know who John Cusack was and looked him up and he is not an antisemite either). Obviously people like Candace Owens and Jackson Hinkle are antisemitic, but if you are gonna cheapen the word by including Greta Thunberg as an antisemite you deserve to be clowned on.

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[–] Piment@hexbear.net 60 points 7 months ago (1 children)
[–] FunkyStuff@hexbear.net 56 points 7 months ago (1 children)

I think if you're as oppressed as Zionists claim to be, you probably wouldn't be holding a tongue-in-cheek competition to figure out who's your biggest oppressor right?

[–] Frogmanfromlake@hexbear.net 40 points 7 months ago (1 children)

I was going to say it’s weird seeing them treat this like something out of the teen choice awards.

[–] kristina@hexbear.net 46 points 7 months ago (1 children)
[–] bbnh69420@hexbear.net 22 points 7 months ago

First time someone has simultaneously been streamer of the year and antisemite of the year

[–] Rojo27@hexbear.net 46 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (2 children)

Antisemiteglasses-on

Critical of Israelglasses-off

At least in so far as Hasan, Cori, and Greta. Also not too familiar with all of Youssef's takes, but I would also think he's not actually antisemetic from what I've heard from him. Jess Natale seems to be someone on instagram that's a Bernie Sander supporter and has progressive (I know, doesn't really mean much) politics from what I could find through a quick search and article about her.

[–] SorosFootSoldier@hexbear.net 31 points 7 months ago

AntisemiteCritical of Israel

That's literally all it always boils down to as the Zionists are actually fine with real antisemties.

[–] Barabas@hexbear.net 13 points 7 months ago

They always sprinkle in one or two actual antisemites too.

[–] SacredExcrement@hexbear.net 42 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Dan Bilzerian:

Bilzerian has generated controversy for a series of statements against Jews and Judaism as early as 2010. He has gone on record to say that the Jewish people perpetrated the Holodomor in Soviet Ukraine, assassinated John F. Kennedy in 1963 and Muammar Gaddafi in 2011, created the "transgender nonsense," and orchestrated the September 11 attacks and the Iraq War, among other assertions and antisemitic conspiracy theories. He also stated that Nazi Germany "flourished" when "Hitler removed Jews from the banking system" and that Spain's golden age began because it expelled the Jews at the end of the Reconquista in 1492.

In a 2024 interview with Piers Morgan, Bilzerian claimed that Judaism "promotes supremacy andremoved, and steals from other people as long as they're not Jewish" and that "most of the problems today are caused by Jewish supremacy." He invoked the term "antisemitism" as a misnomer, stating that the Palestinian people "are the real semites." He also stated that all Israeli Jews are "Eastern European Ashkenazi Jews" and "don't have actual Hebrew DNA." Bilzerian further claimed that Jews "control the media" and promoted Holocaust denialism, saying that "I would bet my entire net worth that it was less than six million." Bilzerian followed up on this claim about the Holocaust by stating that Jews "killed more Christians than six million" and that "they've basically invented genocide."

Yeah, definitely the same as the people calling Israel an apartheid state, or calling for a ceasefire

[–] stink@lemmygrad.ml 2 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

Some of that stuff is batshit insane but some of that stuff has truth to it no? (Please educate me if I'm wrong!)

I read some information about John F. Kennedy possibly getting assassinated because AIPAC reasons.

There are also interviews with 'israelis' where they themselves say that they are a superior race, and non-Jews should be serving them.

I don't know anything about this guy but I hate how we can't talk about the real ethnic / racial supremacy problems that are so blatantly said by 'israelis' because it's used as a dog whistle to say the most antisemitic shit after.

This guy is so keen to lump all Jewish people into a single group and probably doesn't realize how many people he interacts with on the daily are Jewish.

It reminds me of a story my girlfriend's dad told me about how when he was in college ~50 years ago, he had an antisemitic roommate who swore he could tell if someone was Jewish just by looking at them. The entire year his roommate never knew he was sleeping 5 feet away from one.

[–] CutieBootieTootie@hexbear.net 9 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Some of that stuff is batshit insane but some of that stuff has truth to it no? (Please educate me if I'm wrong!)

No, you're wrong, taking racist and chauvanistic attitudes towards any race or group of people is always unacceptable. We oppose "Israel" for it's settler-colonialism, but it's not a statement on Jews or Judaism, it's a statement on western imperialism. Never give actual antisemites like this any ground whatsoever, it's unacceptable and is exactly what the settler colonial entity wants.

[–] stink@lemmygrad.ml 2 points 7 months ago (1 children)

I'm sorry I don't really understand.

Why can't we discuss ethnic supremacy, used by many 'israelis', even Benjamin Netanyahu who stated "we are the light, they are the dark"

Or the many videos of IOF soldiers bombing homes, schools, and hospitals, chanting "Amalek."

You can say this is the fault of imperialism, and you would be correct. But there are people in 'israel', and not a small minority, who truly believe they are a supreme race. I feel it would be disingenuous not to recognize that as a fact.

Again I am not trying to state arguments, I don't even believe zionism has any real merit to Judaism. The founder of the modern Zionism and the visionary of the Jewish State spoke neither Hebrew or Yiddish, had no Jewish education, and was so thoroughly secular as to appear, in fin-de-siècle Paris and Vienna, the very image of a dashing boulevardier.. Herzl himself didn't practice the religion.

This is coming from a person whose grandparents became refugees in 1948, and still has family in the West Bank. I've been there myself and have seen how my people are treated like animals by ethnic supremacy. I really don't see why it would be harmful to point it out.

I can talk more about my experiences visiting my cousins who had a settlement next to their village if you want.

[–] CutieBootieTootie@hexbear.net 6 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Yes, it's true that these are the crimes of Zionists, but Dan Bilzerian is clearly not critical of Zionism here for being Zionism. He's being racist against Jews, the majority of which globally do not reside in the Zionist entity. Supremacist views by any race are abbhorrent and lead to the crimes like those of Zionism.

This is not a defense of the Jewish-Supremacists, but instead to say that using the existence of Zionism to say that the antisemites have a point is wrong.

[–] stink@lemmygrad.ml 4 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Ah thank you, his correlation of zionist crimes with judaism is something I sadly overlooked. I appreciate your help!

[–] Tripbin@hexbear.net 37 points 7 months ago

Give me a blunt rotation with Hasan, Cusack, and Greta.

[–] MF_COOM@hexbear.net 32 points 7 months ago
[–] Comrade_Mushroom@hexbear.net 31 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

How exhausting it must be for Bassem to be accused of being a Jewish spy in Egypt only to come to America and get accused of being an antisemite.

Reactionaries really are as simple as "you are saying things I don't like, you must be [current enemy of society]!"

[–] geese_feces@hexbear.net 29 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

previous winners:

[–] sovietknuckles@hexbear.net 28 points 7 months ago

They chose non-smiling photos for everyone except the fed

[–] CliffordBigRedDog@hexbear.net 27 points 7 months ago (2 children)

Finkelstein robbed year after year

[–] Infamousblt@hexbear.net 8 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

He can have the transphobe of the year award instead

[–] merthyr1831@lemmy.ml 5 points 7 months ago (1 children)

NOOOOOO NOOOOO FINKELSTEIN DON'T IT

[–] CliffordBigRedDog@hexbear.net 2 points 7 months ago

whenever i hear fink say the words "woke"

oh-shit

[–] TheDeed@hexbear.net 25 points 7 months ago

The first reason I hate Israel is genocide. The distant second is that their actions spread antisemitism and hurt every Jew in the diaspora. How many people are going to take real antisemitism seriously after the garbage that's being churned out as they lie and genocide in front of a global stage with no consequences?

[–] bbnh69420@hexbear.net 24 points 7 months ago

We’ll get there next time lads

[–] allthetimesivedied@hexbear.net 22 points 7 months ago

Dan Blazarian looks just like this dude I know who smokes fentanyl and literally steals from everyone.

[–] estii@hexbear.net 21 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

i definitely wouldn't characterise Bassem Youssef as an anti-semite, but he does feed the 'tail wagging the dog' narrative with regard to US-Israel relations - "Israel has corrupted the moral conscience of America", "It's all AIPAC" type of thing. More of an incomplete/unreconstructed anti-Zionism than anything else, I don't think he holds [racial/ethno-religious/whatever] animus towards Jewish people

[–] ShimmeringKoi@hexbear.net 14 points 7 months ago

I don't know what John Cusack did but he always seemed cool and I'm glad he's apparently not a genocidal ghoul

[–] Redcuban1959@hexbear.net 7 points 7 months ago

John Cusack

Good actor, DSA member, he is a socdem that really hates Israel. I think he was i ConAir and 2012 lol.

No idea who Jess Natale is.