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[-] came_apart_at_Kmart@hexbear.net 67 points 1 week ago

a friend of mine was telling me about some friend of his who went to grad school in China right after college. i dunno if it was even tech, but he had studied mandarin in undergrad.

his first several years, he would comeback for the holidays and big family stuff. then he got some job there. over the years he would return less and less, until eventually he just stopped coming back to the US.

can you imagine? it sounds like something out of a fairy tale.

[-] GaveUp@hexbear.net 45 points 1 week ago

sounds like something out of a NYTimes propaganda piece tbh. RIP your friend, the CCP got to him

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[-] 30_to_50_Feral_PAWGs@hexbear.net 66 points 1 week ago

Wow, that's disgusting! Where would someone go to get bombarded with these tech job offers? You know, so I can avoid them?

[-] Jabril@hexbear.net 21 points 1 week ago

Beware

spoilergoogle China job board and you can find plenty of jobs to apply to https://jobs.echinacities.com/ https://www.hiredchina.com/jobs https://www.laowaicareer.com/

[-] peeonyou@hexbear.net 63 points 1 week ago

I'd love to be poached but I'm afraid I'm just tech, no talent.

[-] BobDole@hexbear.net 20 points 1 week ago
[-] xiaohongshu@hexbear.net 52 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

The West has been poaching talents from the Global South since the past century, luring them with strong currencies like the dollar and euro, and at the same time still manage to use them to drive down the wages of domestic labor because immigrant workers are willing to work much harder at a lesser pay that is still relatively lucrative compared to their home country’s salary.

Global South countries have spent innumerable resources and decades of effort to cultivate their best and brightest youth and gifted them scholarships to study overseas at top universities in the West. Many of them would get job offers in Western companies and chose to stay there. The West gets to poach all these talents at virtually no cost.

Make no mistake, this is a form of financial imperialism - the use of its strong currency to create brain drains in the Global South, which further impedes the latter’s ability to develop their own technological and economic sovereignty.

Every year, nearly 600-700k Chinese students go abroad to study in the US alone, and many of them hoping to get their green cards eventually and living out an American dream. If it weren’t for the blatant racism and forcing more and more Chinese students and workers to return from overseas, it would have been a brain drain on China’s part, to the benefit of the American empire!

EDIT: as pointed out below, 600-700k is the number of all Chinese students who went overseas every year. The peak in US was ~370k in 2020, then after COVID dropped to ~260k in 2023.

[-] Hermes@hexbear.net 18 points 1 week ago

Your number of Chinese students that go to the U$ does not match the info I can find, most stuff I see says ~280k/year. There has been a pretty large drop over the past few years, and the number peaked before COVID. This drop in students has caused funding issues for U$ universities, as foreign students pay a lot more in tuition than domestic ones.

[-] xiaohongshu@hexbear.net 11 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

You are correct. The 600-700k is the number of Chinese students who went overseas, not just in the US. It’s also dropped in the US as you said, before COVID it was ~370k students who went to the US in 2020.

[-] JustSo@hexbear.net 8 points 1 week ago

pretty large drop over the past few years

Yeah the unis in my country are having a big cry about it because they spent the last 20 years increasing executive salaries and not doing much else so without the constant and growing cashflow they're kind of fucked.

[-] Belly_Beanis@hexbear.net 14 points 1 week ago

Also don't forget the US (the entire Imperial Core, really) make conditions in the Global South unsafe, forcing people to migrate the only place that's safe: the Global North. Then they gatekeep and only let the wealthy or educated in.

They exterminate the underclass while siphoning capital and brain power, making the situation worse in a feedback loop. Isreal has the same strategy to try and force Jews into moving there. Spread antisemitism abroad, then claim to be the only safe place for Jews.

[-] DragonBallZinn@hexbear.net 47 points 1 week ago

cap-think : "Whoa....I'm richer than ever...I have been having the best past five years of my life! I think....I think...."

capitalist-laugh: "I'll fire everyone and have those that remain pick up the slack, clearly I don't need so many workers!"

xi-god-emperor: "Hello western tech workers, did you get burned by porky? Here, come work with us."

porky-scared-flipped: "Whoa whoa whoa....that's MY reserve army of labor to sit on and do nothing with!"

[-] redline@lemmygrad.ml 45 points 1 week ago

i request bombardment by job offer, yes on my position please. danger close is a risk im willing to take

[-] hraegsvelmir@lemm.ee 44 points 1 week ago

Surely, this is just a case where the invisible hand of the free market will be trusted to solve this issue without any intervention from Western governments and those aligned with them, no?

[-] Sulvor@hexbear.net 17 points 1 week ago

Free markets BTFO

[-] Goblin@hexbear.net 38 points 1 week ago

I don't have any marketable skills but you could hire me as a western jester. If you tell me to dance like a monkey I'll do it. Please China, please 🥺

[-] JustSo@hexbear.net 8 points 1 week ago

If you tell me to dance like a monkey I'll do it.

Can you afford to get there on a tourist visa? I forget the name for "white monkey" jobs but there's an industry (and I think still demand) for sure. Also just about any university qualification can get you an English teaching job in a bunch of actually-existing-communism countries still. I know that's out of reach for most people but fuck it, if you leave after graduation who's gonna try and debt collect the loans? lol

[-] FourteenEyes@hexbear.net 9 points 1 week ago

Holding out hope that ornamental hermits will catch on in China

[-] TheDoctor@hexbear.net 35 points 1 week ago

Poach me please

[-] Quexotic@hexbear.net 35 points 1 week ago

I guess that's the natural outcome of underpayment. The west should be freaking out.

[-] Infamousblt@hexbear.net 34 points 1 week ago

Me please I am tech

[-] kristina@hexbear.net 33 points 1 week ago

Staff with access to sensitive Zeiss know-how received LinkedIn messages, emails and calls from Huawei representatives, offering them up to three times their salaries to join the Chinese company, according to people with knowledge of the situation.

3x? LOL ok if they came to me with that id be willing to degrade myself for the position. xi pls

[-] DefinitelyNotAPhone@hexbear.net 26 points 1 week ago

Also, it's 3x typical tech wages. Even outside the typical tech hubs, that's still a high paying position, and you'd be making that much in a country with a massively lower COL.

[-] BobDole@hexbear.net 12 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

kiryu-slam

I shouldn’t have ghosted that recruiter a few years back

[-] xj9@hexbear.net 31 points 1 week ago

Tell me where and how and I'll sign the fuck up

State funding for Chinese companies enables them to offer salaries beyond what Western companies can pay.

bean-think

[-] yogthos@lemmy.ml 18 points 1 week ago

but muh free markets!

[-] sharkfucker420@lemmy.ml 26 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

, another banger

[-] GalaxyBrain@hexbear.net 26 points 1 week ago

Lol stupid the west

[-] FourteenEyes@hexbear.net 26 points 1 week ago

maybe the West shouldn't have done massive sweeping industry-wide layoffs then

[-] robotElder2@hexbear.net 26 points 1 week ago

What can a tech mediocrity get?

[-] GaveUp@hexbear.net 20 points 1 week ago

Fyi if you're from the West it's highly likely you'd hate working in China in the tech industry, it is a grind, even the none 996 companies

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[-] yogthos@lemmy.ml 19 points 1 week ago

Was looking here the other day incidentally, looks like there are a bunch of jobs of all kinds https://www.echinacities.com/

[-] miz@hexbear.net 22 points 1 week ago

CHINA is SHOOTING at INNOCENT WESTERNERS with MONEY and JOBS!

[-] queermunist@lemmy.ml 21 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Wait fuck if I finish my degree I can escape???

[-] Jabril@hexbear.net 17 points 1 week ago

I mean, they are still taking pretty much anyone with a bachelor's degree as an English teacher in China, Vietnam, Thailand, SA, Korea, Japan, etc. Just get a TEFL/TESOL certificate and it shouldn't be hard to find a job that will get you a work visa in another country.

[-] JustSo@hexbear.net 16 points 1 week ago

Fucken a you can. One of my highschool friends is a world-top-tier mathematician and he's spent most of his adult life working in China doing work way below his capabilities just because he gets to be left alone and live outside of the western hegemony. Mufucka turned me on to communism when we were like 12. It's a shame really, in a better world he'd be the sort of mind that could solve serious fucking problems. But I think he's mostly happy with how things have panned out.

The only downside is it's hard for ex-pat workers to have true security in China (or has been, might've changed VERY recently) due to restrictive visas and few pathways to full citizenship for westoids.

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[-] freagle@lemmygrad.ml 21 points 1 week ago

It's a brilliant use of their dollar reserves. Ya know, beyond issuing bonds in USD

[-] Frogmanfromlake@hexbear.net 19 points 1 week ago

I have heard of Africans who got jobs with Chinese companies. Doubt it’ll ever happen in Guatemala with our lack of tech talent lol

[-] bbnh69420@hexbear.net 9 points 1 week ago

Be the change you want to see in the world! I don’t think anyone would stereotype Africa as a hub of tech talent either

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[-] Thallo@hexbear.net 19 points 1 week ago

Is there anyone actually talented in "tech"?

[-] yogthos@lemmy.ml 21 points 1 week ago

experienced is probably a better word

[-] Sulvor@hexbear.net 16 points 1 week ago

My coding experience barely covers HTML so anything beyond that seems like magic to me lol

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god i wish that were me

[-] Hohsia@hexbear.net 13 points 1 week ago

Please choose me next xi, #SOSUSA

[-] JustSo@hexbear.net 13 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Can I bring my dog and my asexual life partner? It's okay none of us can breed and I'm volcel anyway.

[-] Hohsia@hexbear.net 9 points 1 week ago
[-] Alisu@hexbear.net 8 points 1 week ago

Why did I graduate art school and not tech. It's like I'm trying to not have a job

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[-] Owl@hexbear.net 8 points 1 week ago

How dare they not follow along with western tech's wage fixing agreements!

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