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[-] Hupf@feddit.org 1 points 1 day ago
[-] Feathercrown@lemmy.world 58 points 3 days ago

This is peak licensing

[-] lime@feddit.nu 258 points 4 days ago

fun fact: IBM asked for, and got, an exception from that clause.

[-] jonne@infosec.pub 73 points 4 days ago

I guess they'll use JSON when they're building the database to do the next holocaust.

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[-] dharmacurious@slrpnk.net 62 points 3 days ago

Did they reveal what the evil task they were using it for was?

[-] Wogi@lemmy.world 57 points 3 days ago

They make chips for missiles.

[-] troybot@midwest.social 32 points 3 days ago

Knowing IBM, probably something to do with Nazis

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[-] pressanykeynow@lemmy.world 15 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

I remember when he told that story, it was something like this: one company which I don't want to name, so will just say it's initials - IBM. He also authorised usage for IBM "and it's minions".

[-] lefaucet@slrpnk.net 27 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

Well, IIRC they did work with the Nazis to manage concentration camps and more

https://www.historynewsnetwork.org/article/ibms-role-in-the-holocaust-new-documents-confirm-t

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[-] Aurenkin@sh.itjust.works 135 points 4 days ago

So do you use JSON for your endpoints?

No we use XML

Oh interesting why is that?

Uhhh.....no reason

[-] kautau@lemmy.world 62 points 4 days ago

Well SOAP is inherently evil so that just makes sense

[-] bahbah23@lemmy.world 24 points 4 days ago

What happens is that engineers look at a technology and say, this is too complex, I just need something simple. So they invent and/or adopt something simpler than the popular technology of the day.

But as they build more and more things using the technology, they realize that it needs more features, so those get added on. This happens over and over again to the technology with more and more features being added to it, until a new set of engineers look at it and say this is too complex, I just need something simple...

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[-] muelltonne@feddit.org 71 points 3 days ago

The biggest problem with such a clause is that it is hard to define "evil", even if it seems clear to you. Some people think that abortion is evil, so are abortion clinics banned from Json? What about the military and weapon manufacturers? Killing is evil, but you all know how the discourse about the military as national heroes that can't be evil in the US goes. What about a service like X - is it evil? Can you define "evil" for a surveillance tool that brands itself as ad tech?

[-] Feathercrown@lemmy.world 28 points 3 days ago

The clause also states that the product MUST be used for Good, which is a higher bar. I'd imagine most things JSON is used for are fairly morally neutral.

[-] ByteOnBikes@slrpnk.net 13 points 3 days ago
[-] milicent_bystandr@lemm.ee 3 points 2 days ago

From my point of view, JavaScript is evil.

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[-] TheChargedCreeper864@lemmy.ml 20 points 3 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

This gave me a brilliant idea:

  • Everyone adds a clause to whatever license they use stating "any part of this software may not be used for war purposes of any kind"
  • We wait until software with these licences is spread across the supply chain of everything on Earth
  • ...
  • World peace, as no country would be legally allowed to wage war
[-] milicent_bystandr@lemm.ee 20 points 2 days ago

"Vladimir Putin, you are under arrest for war crimes."

"It was a special military operation! It was all the fault of the Nazis!"

"No, not for all that. You're under arrest for violating the GNU GPL! Prepare to meet your source, licencef*****!!!"

*blam* *blam* *blam*

[-] ailepet@lemmy.blahaj.zone 39 points 3 days ago

Wait I though the point of these post-opensource clauses (see also: anti-capitalist licence, WTFPL, etc.) was to scare off the big corporations lawyers and make sure your code won't end up in AWS or something like that? Are Linux distros the only actors who are still giving a shit about licencing?

[-] JackbyDev@programming.dev 20 points 3 days ago

If you want to scare corporations use AGPL or, if you're feeling spicy, SSPL. Do not use WTFPL, it's too permissive.

[-] frayedpickles@lemmy.cafe 10 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

Always were.

Big companies care too but only if their cya arm knows enough about software to actually enforce anything. A lot don't.

[-] Arghblarg@lemmy.ca 66 points 4 days ago

How does one address the paradox that, as JSON itself is evil, one cannot use it for evil?

(opinions may vary on the above; but it's mine, so nyah nyah.)

[-] SpaceNoodle@lemmy.world 46 points 4 days ago

It's less evil than XML or YAML

[-] JackbyDev@programming.dev 3 points 2 days ago

YAML is evil.

[-] ryathal@sh.itjust.works 33 points 4 days ago

XML is ok for complex docs where you have a detailed structure and relationships. JSON is good for simple objects. YAML is good for being something to switch to for the illusion of progress.

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[-] renzev@lemmy.world 31 points 3 days ago

OK but how can json have a license? I understand a particular json parser having a license, but how can a specification, which contains no code, even be considered "software"?

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[-] Bishma@discuss.tchncs.de 40 points 4 days ago

Spoilsports. Next they'll be telling me I can't use apple software in the development, design, manufacture, or production of nuclear, missile, or chemical or biological weapons.

[-] Agent641@lemmy.world 38 points 4 days ago

Me buying my first IBM ThinkPad online:

IBM: are you planning to use this ThinkPad to produce weapons of mass destruction?

Me: I wasn't before, but now I'm curious

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[-] synapse1278@lemmy.world 19 points 3 days ago
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[-] superkret@feddit.org 29 points 4 days ago

The FSF also lists any software as non-free which uses the beer license (use the software in any way you want, and should you ever meet the author, pay them a beer).

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[-] cm0002@lemmy.world 26 points 4 days ago
[-] ColonelThirtyTwo@pawb.social 25 points 4 days ago

Everybody gangsta with the "don't be evil" clause until the authors turn out to be a nutjob who thinks trans people are blights against God and must be exterminated.

I doubt (or at least hope) that that's not what they think, but hopefully that illustrates why the clause is dumb.

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