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[–] Belly_Beanis@hexbear.net 78 points 4 days ago (2 children)

They weren't even using that land that often

Because you genocided the majority of them, you dumbfuck. Turns out when you kill over 90% of a population, it leaves a bunch of empty space.

But okay, let's give this whiteboy the benefit of the doubt (we shouldn't). Let's say the majority of Native Americans weren't murdered systemically by settlers. The reason the land in North America was the way it was is because it's the type of cultivation that makes sense for the environment it existed in.

No mules, cows, oxen, horses, etc. meant all farming was done by humans. And why go through the effort of plowing fields when you can just plant crops that can be left alone for the year? That way, you can just move to another area where crops you planted previously are done growing. You just rotate between areas, constantly collecting fresh food. This creates a wide abundance of food for a healthy diet.

Now along comes Whitey and his dumbass cuts down all these crops. He plants things that don't grow in their place, then doesn't rotate what he plants, draining the soil of nutrients. His solution to this problem isn't to change the way he grows food, Whitey's solution is to tear out indigenous foods and turn everything into cattle ranches. This isn't anywhere near as efficient as what the locals had been doing for thousands of years before Whitey showed up, but that's not going to stop him from calling them "savages" for not destroying the continent.

[–] enkifish@hexbear.net 47 points 4 days ago (1 children)

I read "Indigenous Continent" recently, and it really drove home the point that the settlers couldn't even identify land that was being used productively by Native Americans. They'd stumble upon carefully managed forest gardens and crop fields, and just go "look at all this completely unused land", simply because it did not look like European farm land. The early settlers were at a complete loss as to how indigenous people were feeding themselves whilst the settlers were themselves starving to death. It went beyond animal husbandry. They wouldn't see neat rows of plowed fields with the same crop row after row and go, damn looks like nothing is here.

[–] Lemister@hexbear.net 24 points 4 days ago

Yes its rebranded as permaculture today and many would assume its just random plants in the woods if they didnt have a clue.

[–] Lemister@hexbear.net 31 points 4 days ago

Native optimization of land was "invisible" towards whites who were destroying their own common lands through enclosure. Also most of the americas suffered from societal collapse due to the pandemics.

[–] Fishroot@hexbear.net 63 points 4 days ago (1 children)

in more simple term:

''my ancestors genocided the natives to the point that I will never have to see them or they are irrelevant outside of the human zoo that we have set for them. However, if I use the same logic on slavery, I would look like an asshole and a Nazi to people''

[–] HelluvaBottomCarter@hexbear.net 20 points 4 days ago

Capitalists must alienate you from history. They must mystify the connection between the past and present, or deny there is a connection at all.

[–] FlakesBongler@hexbear.net 65 points 4 days ago

Sorry, but we needed laborers

Sorry, but we needed the land

Sorry, but the country's full

Behold! The Liberal Cerberus! Willing to spill blood and spread misery if it means they're going to be fine!

[–] HelluvaBottomCarter@hexbear.net 58 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Yeah man that's a cool opinion come look at this neat brick I found...

[–] SpiderFarmer@hexbear.net 33 points 4 days ago

He won't need that brain. He really doesn't need it that often.

[–] Angel@hexbear.net 48 points 4 days ago

Crackers are not alright.

[–] Awoo@hexbear.net 39 points 3 days ago (2 children)

"The Greater Good"

"We did what needed to be done even if it was bad!"

Very cliche fascist reasoning.

[–] keepcarrot@hexbear.net 18 points 3 days ago (1 children)

I remember thinking the fascist definition of "strength" was the willingness to abdicate morals in order to get things done (in reality, get free real estate). It shows up a lot in unironic 40k imperium fans.

[–] Awoo@hexbear.net 11 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Yes. One of the things common to fascists is knowing full well that what they're doing is evil but that it is simply something that "must be done" for the good of many. This is nonsense of course but is a justification used to cast themselves as the misunderstood good guys.

"Where would you be without me? You NEED me to do what you can't do" sort of thing.

[–] keepcarrot@hexbear.net 7 points 3 days ago

And of course "the needs of the many" isn't about humanity writ large but about their preferred nation/ethnicity (or, if they're particularly naked about it, a specific state)

[–] Lemister@hexbear.net 10 points 3 days ago

Greater Good/Common Good is usually evul tankie coding in mass media.

[–] RedWizard@hexbear.net 47 points 4 days ago (1 children)

This has to be a bit, right? "They weren't even using it that often" Like what? That is literally the kind of thing my 4-year-old tells me when she snatches a toy off the floor because her brother dropped it. Like, honey, that's not how this works.

[–] Barabas@hexbear.net 28 points 4 days ago

He is a failson who I assume is trying to get in the right wing pundit train since he failed as an actor and a ‘liberal’ pundit.

[–] Bruja@hexbear.net 41 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (1 children)

Time to take Ben Dreyfuss’s possessions violently away and take over his home. Sorry for the way you’re going to be beaten, Ben, but other people need your stuff. You hardly use most of it anyways, barely minutes a day, mostly just sits there collecting dust.

Nepofailson of another chud:

During a screening of Jaws at The Cabot theater in Beverly, Massachusetts, on May 27, 2024, Dreyfuss criticised "diversity initiatives", and launched into what was described as a transphobic, misogynistic, homophobic, and sexist rant, causing many attendees to shout at the actor, and many to leave the venue in dismay. According to eyewitnesses, Dreyfuss criticized the MeToo and LGBTQ movements and disparaged parents of transgender children, suggesting that supporting a child's transition was indicative of bad parenting.

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[–] john_brown@hexbear.net 35 points 4 days ago

Does anybody know if this guy owns his own home? Because I need that home. I believe he's not even really using it that often, and definitely not in the right way (the way I would use it).

[–] trabpukcip@hexbear.net 36 points 4 days ago

Ah yes, the stewards of the land for ten thousand years, who terraformed entire ecosystems, simply didn't know what they were doing. Interesting analysis, now, please, lower this over your eyes and hum yourself a little ditty how-compelling

[–] Dolores@hexbear.net 34 points 4 days ago (1 children)

what for? a million shitty stripmalls?

[–] Bonus@lemm.ee 31 points 4 days ago (2 children)

There was a fundamental willingness to misunderstand and exploit the fact typically, Native Americans didn't even consider the land something anyone could own.

[–] Lemister@hexbear.net 29 points 4 days ago (4 children)

Or sell!

Sell a country?! Why not sell the air, the great sea, as well as the earth? Did not the Great Spirit make them all for the use of his children?

I remember the kings&general video where in that part he made the american delegate look "smart and rational" by using bazinga brain akshually they have the freedom to do so muh authoritarianism.

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[–] GalaxyBrain@hexbear.net 14 points 4 days ago

Not in like the having title deeds kind of way but land ownership in the form of having claimed territory was pretty often a thing. Allowing people to be on it under certain conditions also wasn't totally foreign especially in exchange for goods, which on the east coast was what many thought was the deal they were getting.

[–] LeninsBeard@hexbear.net 32 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Explaining crop cycling to a capitalist: "Imagine if you had non productive land"

[–] electric_nan@lemmy.ml 19 points 3 days ago (2 children)

I'm confused how he can rationalize the genocide of the natives, but not slavery. Like, "slavery was bad (obviously), but we needed that labor".

[–] StalinIsMaiWaifu@lemmygrad.ml 8 points 3 days ago

Society has (most) accepted slavery as evil, we haven't come close to appreciating how much we have fucked over the natives

[–] Lemister@hexbear.net 4 points 3 days ago

Because native americans are less visible and numerous. And the empire uses black american culture as an cultural export.

[–] miz@hexbear.net 26 points 4 days ago (1 children)

the banality of Hannah Arendt

[–] SpookyGenderCommunist@hexbear.net 11 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Did she have a take about indigenous genocide that I'm not aware of?

[–] miz@hexbear.net 20 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

"not using the land" is closer to Ayn Rand now that I think of it, but Arendt did a lot of justication for colonialism

https://xcancel.com/aiukliAfrika/status/1063203765082304512

this article takes a dishonest cheap shot at Marx near the end because it's in The Jerusalem Post, but it pulls a bunch of quotes from Arendt's writings including Origins: https://www.jpost.com/opinion/hannah-arendt-white-supremacist-456007

[–] Feinsteins_Ghost@hexbear.net 26 points 4 days ago (1 children)
[–] BountifulEggnog@hexbear.net 17 points 4 days ago (1 children)

This is like your average American

[–] came_apart_at_Kmart@hexbear.net 28 points 4 days ago

Ben isn't using any of his brain cells. they are just sitting there, bathing in warm, oxygenated blood and receiving occupational shocks.

and my cat need to eat something today, so....

I will probably feel pretty bad about how it happens, but it does need to happen. cat's hungry.

[–] buh@hexbear.net 26 points 4 days ago
[–] adultswim_antifa@hexbear.net 23 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

This is disgusting and all, but given land usage in the US, we're not really using the land so much as destroying it for reasons that don't really make sense to anyone involved. It would be good if someone took it from us. We just simply need to make as much corn and alfalfa as possible.

[–] infuziSporg@hexbear.net 17 points 3 days ago

"We did need the land... for parking lots, highways, quarter-acre lawns, feedlots to make cheap meat to feed people on, monocropped gigafarms to make cheap feed for the livestock, mountaintop removal mining to make fertilizer for the gigafarms..."

[–] TheLastHero@hexbear.net 18 points 3 days ago

colonial crackkkers should have just kept killing each other in their savage continent of "Europe" if they needed more land so bad

[–] christian@hexbear.net 13 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

Who is "we"? I certainly didn't need that land.

[–] keepcarrot@hexbear.net 20 points 4 days ago

A smart ghoul would just not mention these things

[–] Lemister@hexbear.net 14 points 4 days ago

Translation: Hey we couldnt get away with killing or deporting black people so we have to make Queen Charlotte as an apology but native americans? Nah they can bugger off! Settler colonalism who?

[–] Comrade_Mushroom@hexbear.net 13 points 4 days ago

you thought wrong, mother fucker

[–] Assian_Candor@hexbear.net 11 points 4 days ago
[–] DickFuckarelli@hexbear.net 9 points 3 days ago

Whomever this is just tweeted the average lib inner-dialogue.

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