Canada

The main reason China has had worsening relations with Canada and has been threatening to Canada at all is because we have been so closely allied with the US, and the US overtly wants to hamper China's development and even to overthrow their system of government.

The Meng Wanzhou thing was Canada purely going along with a brash US attack on a leading Chinese company, and it did tremendous and needless damage to Canada-China relations. China didn't start that. The US did, and Canada helped them do it.

Now, while the US has started acting towards Canada in a way a little more like it has treated countries throughout the Global South for decades, China is offering to partner with Canada to oppose the US abuses of the whole global system of trade. China isn't devastating Canada's economy. They've started buying our oil, which is good for our economy. They've been suggesting more open trade with us, and would no-doubt drop tarrifs on our agricultural products if we lowered our ridiculous tarrifs on their EVs, which we imposed at 100% just to please the US even though it's worse for the Canadian consumer and has been primarily beneficial to Tesla and Elon Musk, an overt fascist enabler of our biggest threat who also says we're not even a real country.

The US is the primary aggressor to worry about. They're holding military exercises this week with the Philippines on simulating all-out war with China and Trump appointed a bunch of guys who have years of advocating for war with China. He is waging economic war against China right now.

I support Carney wanting increased economic ties with Europe and more pivoting away from US dependence, but to treat China as an enemy and speak more harshly about them than even the US is something I really dislike. Opposing the foreign interference, asserting sovereignty in the Arctic, protecting Canadian markets to an extent that is reasonable and fair, these are all good things, but they can be done without making an enemy of China, especially while China is actually offering to work with us and to help us out in dealing with our biggest immediate threat.

China is a dictatorship country with many flaws.

But for too long, Canadians have ignored the vicious American Gorilla standing up at their door.

Same with the USA

The two Michaels were both American State Department agents, with close ties to both American political parties. This is provable. One was deeply tied to the Republican party. He was the one that was active in North Korea, and helped a Republican agent, Dennis Rodman, to get an inside track with the North Korean leaders. He also worked closely with the Republican party to create back door influence with the North Koreans and the Chinese, facilitating various Republican operative visits to China. The other was a Vice President - Asian operations for International Crisis Group, a (Democratic) George Soros -influenced American State Department extension. They were both operatives for the American State Department in China. They also had Canadian passports, not American, so the Americans could not intervene. Perfect targets for the Chinese regime, in response to our Canadian government co-operating with the American State Department in their feud with Huawei.

https://macleans.ca/news/world/kim-jong-un-meet-the-nhl/

https://thenationaldesk.com/news/americas-news-now/concerns-over-iran-sympathetic-groups-linked-to-george-soros-biden-administration-officials-robert-malley-former-us-special-envoy-iranian-nuclear-deal-fbi-international-crisis-group-quincy-institute-house-committee

https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/international-crisis-group-michael-kovrig-china-canada-1.5770575

https://www.politico.com/newsletters/illinois-playbook/2018/06/12/rodmans-transformation-279683

It was absolutely not a 'random choice' that China picked the two Michaels.

It was like a week ago he had full confidence in his minister who wanted to ship a Canadian citizens issuing anti-China tweets in Canada to China for execution. Then replaced him with someone equally bad.

I'd assume he can't see them as that bad when he wants a Canadian gestapo for fighting anti-CPC rhetoric.

I don't see it. How is China a geopolitical threat to Canada? I get it's a threat to the Chinese people, being a dictatorship, and to their neighbors, being jingoistic, but how are they a threat to us?

The way people (especially on the left) talk about politics is very reminiscent of ancient anthropomorphism. People like to assign human emotions to countries in order to judge their relationships. Understanding the nuances of political structure is very difficult, and if you don't understand (I am one of them) it's better if people don't get involved.

The entire mess between the Western world and China goes all the way back to when the Roman Catholic (Empire) Church and the Pope in Rome (Roman Emperor) forbade the Chinese to honor their ancestors, in the 17'th century (Qing Dynasty). The Jesuits made good infiltration into the Chinese culture, traveling along the Silk Road, in the early 17'th century, bringing knowledge and scientific discovery to the Chinese. Since the Jesuits predominantly focused on God Himself as a universal deity (not the Pope) there was some acceptance by the Chinese peoples to this socialist religion full of compassion, humility, and humanity. On the other hand, when the Pope and the Roman Catholic (Empire) Church got involved, everything switched from worship of God to fielty to the Pope. , The Pope insisted that the only venue for a Catholic, and thus 'the people', to seek solace, comfort, moral guidance, and forgiveness was through him (the Pope). The Chinese had a many-thousand-year tradition of seeking moral guidance, comfort, and personal direction from their ancestors. This fit in well with the Jesuit teachings, but was antithetical to the Pope's need for personal power and domination. There could only be one master over the soul, and that was the Pope. Therefore, the Pope forbade this practice. The Chinese were not to honor their ancestors, but were to honor the Pope instead. Only through the Pope could there be salvation. Honoring one's ancestors was therefore heretical and blasphemy.

The Chinese, of course, were very resentful that a foreigner, living in a foreign land, who had absolutely no connection to Chinese culture, could tell the Chinese whom they could honor and in what fashion, and so in the 17'th century the Chinese peoples kicked the Roman Catholic (Empire) Church out of China.

Ever since, the Roman Catholic (Empire) Church has had it out for the Chinese. Not just China, but the Chinese themselves. It became a cultural/racial thing.

As a result of the Opium Wars, the Roman Catholic (Empire) Church re-established a toe-hold in China by virtue of conquest, only to be kicked out again in the 1950's, when the Chinese peoples firmly and thoroughly purged China of all foreign cultural and identity influences, and restored their traditional culture and identity. The problem was not Catholicism, and even Christianity itself, the problem was that the Pope insisted it be entirely controlled by himself, an outsider to China, a foreigner. The Chinese allowed the Catholic Church in China, as long as the entire leadership of the church were Chinese, living in China, respectful of the thousands-of-years cultural identity of the Chinese. It was to be a made-in-China Catholic religion, recognizing Chinese history and precedent.. After all, the Chinese cultural religious background and identify are at least twice as old as Christianity.

Most of the Western negative attitude towards China stems from the Roman Catholic (Empire) Church crusade against the Chinese for refusing to bow down to the dictates of the Roman Catholic (Emperor) Pope, and for the refusal of the Chinese peoples to accept the moral, ideological, and ethical authority of a foreign (non-Chinese) power.

God fucking dammit. Wrong move Carney. We are either going to be attached to America or China, and America is threatening our sovereignty.

Brookfield has extensive holdings in the Chinese economy. Many established when Carney was at the helm. Carney is definitely not anti-China when investments are considered. However, Carney is of his own admission devout Catholic, and it will remain to be seen if the Roman Catholic (Empire) Church's antipathy and cultural prejudices against the Chinese influence his political decisions.

Total loser shameful move. Canada has unanimous loyalty to US propaganda among politicians and media, and deprogramming Canadians is essential. This is hopefully just political baby kissing, but Canada is F'd if its only option is to submit to US empire.