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Due to recent concerns surrounding feddit.uk's enforcement (or lack thereof) of policies against transphobia, and lemmy.blahaj.zone's unilateral defederation of that instance, it's clear we need to take action in order to protect our users.

For context, please see the following threads:

feddit.uk has been defederated (via blahaj)

Emperor (feddit.uk admin)'s response

Hexbear thread with further context and discussion

Seeing as the feddit moderation team's policies clearly do not align with our own stances on transphobia, bigotry, and reactionary rhetoric generally, we are considering two different options, with feedback requested for whichever route you would prefer (NOTE: we are primarily concerned with how trans users and other marginalized groups feel):

ukkk - Unilaterally defederate from feddit.uk due to lax enforcement of rules against transphobia and their admin citing the recent UK anti-trans court ruling as one of the reasons for this

england-cool - Remain federated with the instance at large while banning their admins, mods and any transphobic users, along with those who violate Hexbear CoC generally (the same way we handled issues with dbzero a while back)

We want to communicate these discussions we've been having behind the scenes to the userbase at large and allow those most impacted to give their input on how to proceed. Please give any feedback below.

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[–] iie@hexbear.net 18 points 2 days ago

I'm not voting, but I just wanna say, in a reasonable society, opposing someone's rights would get you beat up

[–] ProfessorOwl_PhD@hexbear.net 15 points 2 days ago (1 children)

As much as it would be nice to have around for the few posts that are relevent to me I'm gonna hae to go with ukkk just because of the excuse. Not only does the court case change nothing, but even if it did they should be enforcing their current anti-transphobia rules until they've reached a decision on how to implement it. They aren't, and are holding up an irrelevent court case as an excuse.

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[–] Cowbee@hexbear.net 11 points 2 days ago

ukkk

No tolerance. Feddit.uk can oust their mods and admins themselves or move to different servers.

[–] roux@hexbear.net 13 points 2 days ago

ukkk

Fuck a Nazi TERF instance. And that user in question with the “adult human female” dog whistle bullshit can face the fucking wall.

[–] whiskers165@hexbear.net 9 points 2 days ago

I'm trans; I say fuck 'em

[–] GayTuckerCarlson@hexbear.net 29 points 2 days ago

No one in the world should ever have to speak to a British person

[–] Carcharodonna@hexbear.net 15 points 2 days ago

Big ukkk

We should 100% detach from any instance that harbors transphobes.

All white english to be banned, all goes according to plan ukkk

[–] moondog@hexbear.net 9 points 2 days ago
[–] Mindfury@hexbear.net 36 points 2 days ago (1 children)

england-cool first to make their admins seethe
ukkk 24 hours later because it's the right thing to do for our users

[–] Sickos@hexbear.net 16 points 2 days ago (1 children)
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[–] Tommasi@hexbear.net 15 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

ukkk

The admin's response is just very strange. Why does British law matter here? No one expects or wants forum rules to have a formal legal basis. It's something you make and enforce based on what kind of community you want to have, and if they're fine with transphobia because it's legal to be a transphobe, they clearly don't want the kind of community we do and we should defederate.

[–] Ram_The_Manparts@hexbear.net 6 points 2 days ago

Why does British law matter here?

It doesn't, they're just insufferable reddit-tier losers

[–] dragongloss@hexbear.net 7 points 2 days ago

:ukkk:

(i'm trans fyi)

[–] AcidSmiley@hexbear.net 32 points 2 days ago (2 children)

ukkk The situation for my trans siblings in the UK is absolutely dire rn. When the courts and the governments are out to strip them off their rights, they need solidarity, not backstabbing. Reacting to these developments by an internal discussion if transphobia should now be allowed on the instance means the admins have already chosen barbarism.

[–] Lyudmila@hexbear.net 17 points 2 days ago

Yeah, absolutely despicable shit from the feddit.uk admins.

It should go without saying that there was no need for a discussion for our instance. Hexbear admins were already in unilateral agreement that transphobic content isn't acceptable.

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ukkk

'ate transphobes

'ate the UK

'ate blood sauage

love my comrades

Simple as

[–] Belly_Beanis@hexbear.net 13 points 2 days ago

ukkk 

I just like seeing the British flag burn. Tiocfaidh ár lá.

[–] EllenKelly@hexbear.net 31 points 2 days ago

I dont think we should be taking into account whatever blahaj does before making our own deciaions, but i also dont think we need to discuss defederating from an instance chock full of loosely moderated reactionaries

[–] ZWQbpkzl@hexbear.net 6 points 2 days ago

If I'm reading the feddit.uk comments correctly, UK passed some transphobic law defining "woman" and that somehow affects how they moderate their UK based internet forum.

From burgerland this is absurdly inconceivable, but the UK is know for not having any sort of free speech laws.

Whether its for feddit.uk or the UK as a whole ukkk

[–] awth13@hexbear.net 7 points 2 days ago
[–] BelieveRevolt@hexbear.net 8 points 2 days ago

ukkk

Disappointing comments will generally be left to fester in ratio, outright horrible comments will be removed.

Shitty ass rule that just means transphobia and other bigotry is acceptable as long as it's a ”subtle” dogwhistle.

[–] Beetle@hexbear.net 9 points 2 days ago

ukkk ukkk is yuk

[–] RedStarOS@hexbear.net 28 points 2 days ago (1 children)

ukkk No more half measures, walter

[–] boiledfrog@hexbear.net 8 points 2 days ago

I say try england-cool but ukkk the first sign of it not working.

[–] Frogmanfromlake@hexbear.net 5 points 2 days ago

It’s not really a huge loss if it does get defederated. They posted annoying anti-China slop like that piano player and his victim complex.

[–] thelastaxolotl@hexbear.net 28 points 2 days ago (1 children)

why not use this emotes instead so we dont over use dean too much?

ukkk defederate feddit.UK

england-cool keep federation and ban their admins. mods and transphobic users

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[–] SootySootySoot@hexbear.net 9 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Not voting either way here. But I'm further of the opinion that we are still attempting to compromise by having two mutually exclusive goals in one instance - Propagandising libs and having a safe space for our comrades. Achieving both on the same site doesn't really seem possible.

[–] Beetle@hexbear.net 10 points 2 days ago

I don’t think hexbear should have outreach as goal (and I’m not sure it even does). Hexbears policies are not perfect but it’s the only space on the internet I know of where I’m not constantly confronted with bigotry and where most concerns of marginalised groups are actually taken seriously. There are plenty of spaces (even other lemmy instances) where you can educate libs if you want to.

[–] Cowbee@hexbear.net 7 points 2 days ago

I do all my propagandizing on Lemmy.ml, Hexbear is useful for those we can manage to bring over here but is more valuable as a safe space for our comrades than for agitprop.

[–] Aliveelectricwire@hexbear.net 5 points 2 days ago

ukkk transfemme here.

[–] Crucible@hexbear.net 7 points 2 days ago

ukkk

There are only two other instances worth being federated with, and this site should always prioritize bring a safe space for marginalized people.

[–] Philosoraptor@hexbear.net 7 points 2 days ago
[–] happybadger@hexbear.net 13 points 2 days ago

england-cool if they defederate from us for being pro-trans, that looks worse for them than us preemptively defederating. Now we know to agitate around that specific issue and it's a good time to confront britishers in their home threads. I'm fine either way but think we could do something funny which makes them show their ass+hair more.

[–] Kuori@hexbear.net 21 points 2 days ago (1 children)

down for whatever, but i'd also like to forward a relentless bullying campaign as an option until we do whatever it is we do

for funsies

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[–] AntifaSuperWombat@hexbear.net 10 points 2 days ago

ukkk We defeded from blahaj.zone for the same reason. It would be pretty hypocritical to stay federated with them, especially since the transphobia

mystery-emote is even worse. There’s just no excuse for not banning someone who calls trans women "it".

[–] StillNoLeftLeft@hexbear.net 9 points 2 days ago
[–] Arahnya@hexbear.net 5 points 2 days ago
[–] Super_Lumalo@hexbear.net 8 points 2 days ago
[–] sovietknuckles@hexbear.net 19 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

They don't ban the transphobes.

ukkk qin-shi-huangdi-fireball

If, at some point, they stop treating transphobia like a moral dilemma and have a track record of moderating it right away, maybe we can reconsider

[–] Wake@hexbear.net 6 points 2 days ago
[–] charly4994@hexbear.net 8 points 2 days ago
[–] RION@hexbear.net 16 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

I don't think I've ever seen one of them on our local comms so I don't really care to weigh in one way or another. dean-neutral

I will say having someone in a position of authority with the name "Emperor" is incredibly sauceless. If you're in control of something online your name should either be like "Dave" or "Weepo Gleepo"

ukkk I'm called enough slurs as it is already cri

[–] Esoteir@hexbear.net 8 points 2 days ago

ukkk

defed gang keeps winning uphold socialism in one lenmy thought maduro-katana-1stalin-gun-2

[–] Blockocheese@hexbear.net 19 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

ukkk

If even blajah can't tolerate them they have no business being federated with us

[–] Acute_Engles@hexbear.net 19 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

I am not a member of any marginalized group but i want to defederate from as many instances as possible.

dean-smile ukkk

[–] Collatz_problem@hexbear.net 6 points 2 days ago
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