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[–] neidu3@sh.itjust.works 53 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (5 children)

I might as well go first: Basic troubleshooting and reasoning.

I mean, we're not talking debugging assembly language here. But at least you should be able to reply correctly to the question "is it dead or faulty?" when it comes to a computer. And when a your car has a weird noise, at least try to locate it for an obvious cause such as something rolling around under your seat.

EDIT: And one important aspect of troubleshooting many people don't get is how to narrow down the problem. Let's say your wifi isn't working - have you checked on any other device whether it's working there? Someone else mentioned binary search which has a lot of overlap with this.

[–] DirigibleProtein@aussie.zone 31 points 1 week ago (3 children)

“I don’t know what the error said, I clicked ok and it went away. Now fix it”.

[–] neidu3@sh.itjust.works 19 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Bingo.

I used to work with internet on trains, and the system was relatively simple by today's standards. Not so much back then, but:

  • One carriage had UMTS/LTE and CDMA modems and a router that load balanced between the uplinks. Usually in the restaurant carriage, because there would only be one per train. It also had a short range wireless link in each end for other carriages to connect.
  • Each carriage that could potentially be in the same train had wireless clients in each end for connecting "upstream" towards the router.
  • All carriages had a wifi radio

On other words, many potential points of failure. And sometimes we'd get tickets such as this sent our way: "Internet doesn't work"

  • No info about which carriage
  • No info about when
  • No info about where
  • No info about which train
[–] tal@lemmy.today 7 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I mean, that's really a software design issue. Like, the system should be set up to have a system log of those.

Most visual novel video game systems provide a history to review messages, if one accidentally skipped through something important.

Many traditional roguelikes have a message log to review for the same reason.

Many systems have a "show a modal alert dialog" API call, but don't send it to a log, which frankly is a little bit bonkers; instead, they have separate alert and logging systems. I guess maybe you could make a privacy argument for that, not spreading state all over even the local system, but I'd think that it wouldn't be that hard to make it more-obvious to the user how to clear the log.

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[–] Kyle_The_G@lemmy.world 8 points 1 week ago (3 children)

This grinds my gears super hard. I've had a few new hires come through and they can't do anything unless someone tells them to do something or if its written out step by step. Absolutely no critical thinking, curiosity or even basic understanding of why we're doing what we're doing, the job might as well be severance lol. I have no idea whats going on, they interviewed well, had relevant experience and can do the basics but as soon as we have to troubleshoot or use our brains they just go dear in the headlights. Its something thats difficult to train.

[–] neidu3@sh.itjust.works 5 points 1 week ago

Maybe they prefer the work to be mysterious (and important)

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[–] deranger@lemmy.world 7 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Always a relevant XKCD.

https://xkcd.com/627/

You can apply this process to just about anything.

[–] sanguinepar@lemmy.world 4 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I had that stuck to my desk at work for years. And I haven't even opened the link yet to see if it's the one I think it is.

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[–] rumschlumpel@feddit.org 31 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Making constructive, non-adhominem critique, and accepting such critique. Maybe calm debate/discussion in general.

[–] Lembot_0002@lemm.ee 9 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Look at yourself: your momma is bigger than a triceratops and you're going to teach me something about ad-homo...-nomo...thing? Phah!

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[–] Deconceptualist@lemm.ee 31 points 1 week ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

Number 1 by far is knowing how to separate your opinions from your identity.

I've been thinking about this for years and I can't shake the thought that identity politics is the root of most major problems in western society (esp. US). It means people interpret criticism of their opinions as personal attacks instead. This overblown defensive reaction leads to turning around and conflating the opinions of others with their worth as human beings.

Yes, there some truth to that. If you hold hateful & bigoted opinions, I would say that makes you a shit person. But you're not necessarily condemned to that forever, because opinions can potentially change. This is tied in with Karl Popper's "Paradox of Tolerance", i.e. ideas should be tolerated unless they themselves are so intolerant as to undermine the wider marketplace of ideas.

When we equate (potentially temporary) opinions of others with immutable value, that's what leads to dehumanizing them and taking away their fundamental rights. And as has always been the case throughout history, the burden falls primarily on vulnerable groups (immigrants, ethnic or social minorities, children and the elderly, etc).

People need to understand that YOU ARE NOT YOUR OPINION. Others can and should criticize your opinions, but that doesn't mean they are attacking you personally. Defend the opinions, but don't turn around and go ad-hominem in response. And for fuck's sake, unless an opinion is so abhorrent or intolerant that it threatens someone else's existence (e.g. Nazis), you don't get to take away the holder's rights to citizenship, food, shelter, healthcare, etc.

EDIT: And yes I do consider this a skill that people have to learn. I think most should be capable by maybe... age 7.

[–] DirigibleProtein@aussie.zone 31 points 1 week ago (3 children)

Being aware of what’s around you. Whether driving and not looking before pulling out, blocking the middle of the supermarket aisle, stopping in the doorway, standing in the middle of the footpath playing with your phone; so many people are completely oblivious. The world doesn’t revolve around you, have some ordinary consideration and manners.

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[–] Kyle_The_G@lemmy.world 29 points 1 week ago (3 children)

Swimming, it'll save your life

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[–] Witchfire@lemmy.world 24 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Basic sewing

Also empathy

[–] acidbattery@lemm.ee 22 points 1 week ago (4 children)

Communication. So many issues could be resolved by just talking to the person clearly and calmly instead of assuming they can read your mind and getting upset when they don’t respond the way you played out in your mind.

De-escalation. Even if you’re right, there’s a time and place where you need to let it go and revisit it at a more appropriate moment.

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[–] GeeDubHayduke@lemmy.dbzer0.com 21 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Reading comprehension. Not a day goes by where i don't see someone respond to a comment that they clearly did not understand completely.

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[–] AngryCommieKender@lemmy.world 19 points 1 week ago (5 children)

Cooking. I don't mean heating up prepared food. I mean taking raw produce, spices, herbs, and starches to make your own food. Doesn't need to be extravagant. Start with an omelette or maybe properly made scrambled eggs. Move on to other "easy" dishes like grilled cheese sandwiches and spaghetti. I am constantly amazed when I hear fully grown adults saying shit like, "I could never make anything like Beef Wellington." Yes you can, just try and fail a few times!

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[–] NONE_dc@lemmy.world 19 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Using a fucking PC properly.

[–] Lembot_0002@lemm.ee 11 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I am engineer enough to use my fucking PC in whatever fucking way I want without some fucking smart-pants telling me what to do. Have a fucking nice day!

[–] NONE_dc@lemmy.world 8 points 1 week ago

That's the fucking spirit! Have a fucking nice day too!

[–] snek_boi@lemmy.ml 18 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (7 children)

People have said “critical thinking”. I agree, but we can be more specific than that:

  • Formal logic to think clearly
  • Relational frame training to think fluidly
  • Human cognitive bias awareness and mitigation strategies to avoid magical thinking or otherwise systematic cognitive errors
  • Discourse Analysis to be critical of any message https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=LKiaYBVAEUk&pp=
  • Mindfulness and acceptance skills to engage with what our thoughts and body tell us, regardless of whether it’s painful or difficult
  • Visible Thinking Routines to make thinking and communication with others easier
  • Research design (Joseph A. Maxwell) and system design (How to Design Programs) to seek information critically and how to systematically tackle challenges
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[–] 0x01@lemmy.ml 17 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Binary search, there are so many instances where problems in life can be solved by eliminating half of a given set repeatedly.

Blender broken? There are only so many things that can go wrong, analyze the situation and try to find something that cuts your problem in half.

  1. Is the light on? It’s not electricity and that's a huge chunk of what makes a blender work.
  2. Light not on? Well now you've eliminated (temporarily) mechanical systems and electrical remains. Further splitting that part of the blender means either house power or internal blender power, check the outlet with another machine

This approach involves further splitting the problem into 2 as evenly as possible each time. It doesn’t make sense to whip out the multimeter if the on light isn't shining, you don't need to check on your house's breakers if the light is on, etc.

This system works for troubleshooting almost anything, all you have to do is find chokepoints and identify sections of your target. Toilet not flushing, faucet not on, car not starting, neck pain, allergies, it's almost harder to think of something it doesn't apply to.

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[–] HobbitFoot@thelemmy.club 16 points 1 week ago (3 children)

The ability to process information. It seems like the reason need AI to summarize different things is because they never learned how to do it themselves.

[–] creamlike504@jlai.lu 6 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I think our skill to process information has natural limits, which were overwhelmed decades ago by the social media firehose and a breakdown of information-filtering infrastructure.

an average edition of a newspaper the size of The Times already contains more information about the world than a person in the 17th Century was likely to come across in a lifetime. (Wurman, Information Anxiety)

That was back in 1989. We're now 30 years later with an internet supercharged by predatory algorithms.

And we can't filter all of it without either completely withdrawing from the world entirely or spending months learning why and how to filter it ourselves.

We have had information overload in some form or another since the 1500s. What is changing now is the filters we use for the most of the 1500 period are breaking, and designing new filters doesn’t mean simply updating the old filters. They have broken for structural reasons, not for service reasons. (Shirky, It's Not Information Overload. It’s Filter Failure)

[–] HobbitFoot@thelemmy.club 4 points 1 week ago

Perhaps, but I'm talking about are problems within human limits. For example, take information from 5 different sources to synthesize an answer to a question.

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[–] grasshopper_mouse@lemmy.world 14 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

Basic cooking skills

Reading comprehension

Listening to someone speak without interrupting

Remembering to let other people speak when having a conversation

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[–] slazer2au@lemmy.world 12 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Proof reading what they post.

Looking at you OP :P

[–] neidu3@sh.itjust.works 11 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Yeh, I'll concede that I'm shitty at typing on my phone. Fixed.

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[–] Libb@jlai.lu 12 points 1 week ago

Listening (to one another).

[–] anamethatisnt@sopuli.xyz 12 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Reading instructions would be another one that gets skipped due to stress or whatever the excuse is.

Or taking the time to properly read and reply to an email. I've learnt the hard way to never have more than one question per email, it's only the first or the last question that gets answered.

[–] tal@lemmy.today 7 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

At least in a business context, the vast majority of emails that I see sent out are mostly useless fluff. Many of them don't need to be sent, and the ones that do are rarely concise or structured to summarize what they are saying up top, then later go into detail for people who might need more detail.

Time is a finite resource consumed by this, and there's no penalty for using someone else's. Businesses don't, say, try to assess the business cost imposed by an employee's sent emails when reviewing that employee's performance.

I think that users attempt to compensate by committing less time to reading them. Doing ever-more-perfunctory skims in an attempt to limit how much of their time gets consumed by email that isn't worthwhile.

And that tends to encourage not fully reading emails.

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[–] massive_bereavement@fedia.io 9 points 1 week ago

Critical thinking: We would be in a better world if more people were capable of it.

[–] Quill7513@slrpnk.net 8 points 1 week ago

media literacy

[–] ouRKaoS@lemmy.today 7 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Reading a map.

GPS is great & all, but I know people that if you put a paper map in front of them they're still lost because they can't correlate the map with reality.

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[–] rabber@lemmy.ca 6 points 1 week ago (7 children)

Having a basic idea of how a car/engine works. Most people waste so much money on basic repairs they could just do themselves. Feels like majority of folks couldn't even put on their spare tire. Plus, mechanic is job that less and less people are willing to do over time so the cost of their labour will only keep getting worse

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[–] CptHacke@lemm.ee 6 points 1 week ago
[–] Ziggurat@jlai.lu 5 points 1 week ago

Basic math. I don't talk about solving differential equation. But if you don't want to get scammed you need to understand what's a 10% discount, how do interest work, price per kg, or price per m^2

[–] scytale@lemm.ee 5 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Driving. Most people know how to operate a vehicle, but a lot don’t know how to actually drive properly.

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[–] Justdaveisfine@midwest.social 4 points 1 week ago

Patience.

I've taken up several hobbies (game dev, gardening, woodworking, etc) where results aren't always well seen until weeks, months or even years after starting a project.

Everyone seems too interested in getting results fast and now, and the world seems all too keen to sell you something to try and make that happen.

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