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[–] brndnpink@beehaw.org 2 points 2 years ago (1 children)

American high school teacher here (Midwest region). We implemented a policy this year banning cellphones in instructional spaces during instructional time. Enforceable by confiscation if teachers saw or heard a phone. We have a strong set of administrators who supported teachers in any case where there was student pushback. It has been a huge success in terms of limiting distractions during instructional time. All of our students are provided Chromebooks so there really isn’t much of an instructional reason to have phones anyway. It has also contributed to a drop in student-on-student behavior problems.

I do feel for the girl in this article for whom it was used as a coping mechanism for bullying. No policy comes with zero downsides. However, it sounds like she was allowed exceptions in certain cases, which is exactly what should happen.

[–] RagingNerdoholic@lemmy.ca 1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (12 children)

I do feel for the girl in this article for whom it was used as a coping mechanism for bullying. No policy comes with zero downsides

Right, it's kind of a trolley problem. Is it better to do lesser harm through action (banning cell phones, meaning a few students like this can't reach their family during school hours), or greater harm through inaction (loose cell phone policy, harming the learning process for everyone, inviting violence against teachers who are competing against addictive algorithms for their students' attention)?

Cell phones barely existed when I was in school and were certainly out of reach for students. Bullying still happened (personal experience, yay) and staff would shut that shit down when they saw it or it was reported.

[–] Grennum@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I also went to school with no cell phones, and was bullied mercilessly. Staff didn't care then, and I doubt they care now. I'm glad you went to a school where the adults cared.

[–] RagingNerdoholic@lemmy.ca 0 points 2 years ago

When was this? I was in high school during the early 00's. There were no cell phones, not because of policy, but because they just weren't commonplace.

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[–] TEKUMS@lemmy.ca 2 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I'm surprised that this wasn't something that was already implemented. When I was in highschool in the early 2000's cellphones would be instantly taken away if they were spotted by a teacher during class.

I don't understand parents needing constant contact with their children. As a kid I would've hated that, helicopter parenting x1000.

[–] theacharnian@lemmy.ca 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

The article mentions kids being able to call their parents when being bullied. Having an emergency contact option is always useful.

[–] TEKUMS@lemmy.ca 3 points 2 years ago

Understandable, but I doubt much bullying is happening during class time, where I feel that having cellphones put away would be the most beneficial. Several times I've been asked to put my cellphones in pouches that set off alarms when opened during small comedy shows/concerts, I feel that might be an alright solution to in class device lock down. Then when the class is over phone can come out.

In terms of bullying I think that's more a failure of the education system that these students don't have someone to turn to, in the faculty, to deal with it. It sucks because I couldn't imagine what bullying is like now in the digital age. I always felt that teachers and admins never got enough power to deal with severe bullying without blow back from parents.

[–] ion@lemmy.ca 1 points 2 years ago

At my high school most of my teachers didn’t allow cellphones in class, and would take them away for the period if they caught the student more than once.

There isn’t a lot of need for cellphones in a classroom, especially if the students have access to school laptops/computers.

[–] Rumblestiltskin@lemmy.ca 1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (4 children)

I assumed cell phones would be banned in classrooms. When I was in school any sight of a walkman would get it taken away!

[–] Bad_company_daps@lemmy.ca 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

When I was in highschool (late 10s) you were allowed to have your phone on you in class, it wasn't instantly taken away if they saw the outline in your pocket, but you weren't allowed to use it in class.

[–] Rumblestiltskin@lemmy.ca 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)
[–] Windows2000Srv@lemmy.ca 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

In one of my class to become an high school teacher, we were thought about some best practices for learning and studying on your own.

Just the fact that you can see your phone (not the screen, just the body) is actively harming your ability to learn. It's because phone are machines to notify you and just seeing, or even feeling it in your pocket, unconsciously makes you alert to its notifications.

The professor after that went on to say that, if you're going to use a laptop, use it to actually take note, nothing else. Since the screen is so big, lots of people can see it, and scrolling through Facebook (or other) impacts your ability to listen (duh, you're doing something else), but also to the others, because it take the attention away from the class, to the screen of the laptop, even if it isn't your laptop. So even Uni student might have to think about how they use their devices...

The best thing about that class was that everything was back with studies! So this isn't just the teacher saying "screw technology!", but actual science!

[–] Midnight_Ice@lemmy.ca 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I had an English teacher in 2015 who also based her cell phone rules around science too. It was "phones are allowed, but use them respectfully" on the basis that you are more likely to be focused if you have access to your technology and can quickly check a notification and then put it away. She said you are more distracted by a notification when you don't know what it is, so we were always allowed to pull our phones out and check what was happening. Funnily enough, this freedom and mutual respect caused there to be minimal phone use in that classroom.

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[–] CrimsonFlash@lemmy.ca 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

T9 texting without looking at your phone is a lost art.

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[–] deelayman@lemmy.ca 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

As an adult with mild ADHD I can admit that my cellphone poisons productivity. I can imagine not doing so well in school if the same fully fledged dopamine machines existed when I was a kid.

At the same time, I can't imagine a full ban on cellphones being the reasonable course of action. There's probably a compromise in there somewhere.

[–] Ginger@lemmy.ca 0 points 2 years ago

As an adult with strong ADHD, I concur. I lock up my phone and keep it far away when working because it's kryptonite for my already minimal ability to focus on the task at hand.

But cellphones became common-ish when I was in school, and the rule of the time was "it stays in your locker". People were wary of theft and would usually bring them in turned off so teachers wouldn't confiscate them, but it did the job of keeping phones out of hands in class.

I know parents want to have access to their kids 24/7, but that's such a new mindset and I can't imagine it does much good for kids' development, either.

[–] RagingNerdoholic@lemmy.ca 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Right? This is going to sound all kids-these-days, but I remember when I was told to leave my personal laptop at home when I tried to use it in a computer class for the express purpose of learning the material in that class.

[–] adespoton@lemmy.ca 0 points 2 years ago

Yeah; I remember that I had a list of stuff that could be brought to class. Pens, pencils, erasers, official calculator, binder, textbooks. Anything else got binned if it was discovered. Even jackets and hats had to stay in the locker during class.

[–] zephyreks@lemmy.ca 1 points 2 years ago (3 children)

Phones aren't the problem, applications are. No one ever complained about having Nokia 3310s in their pockets.

[–] i_love_FFT@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 years ago

Bright colorful screens that mess up serotonin are also part of the problem.

[–] n7gifmdn@lemmy.ca 0 points 2 years ago (5 children)

you clearly went to a different school than I did in tne 1990s

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[–] Gray@lemmy.ca 1 points 2 years ago

I think cellphones should be banned in classrooms and allowed between classes. I'm not sure why they should need to be banned during students' freetime. This is how it was when I was in high school during the very early years of smartphones and it worked out fine. If I wanted to listen to music while walking down the halls or during lunch, that was a really important coping mechanism for me with how dramatic high school can be. It also allowed me to keep in touch with my friends and meet them around the school. I think it's overly reactionary to do a blanket ban like that. I completely understand the need to ban them within classrooms. That's reasonable to me as classrooms should only be for learning.

[–] Whooping_Seal@sh.itjust.works 1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

At least when I was in secondary school teachers did not have to confiscate phones, reasonable usage of cell phones was permitted (or laptops for that matter) while unreasonable usage would first result in the instructor asking you to put your phone away and subsequently result in confiscation. Reasonable usage could be using a English-French dictionary online, or taking a photo of a white board. I think it also helped that the school wifi blocked social media and the building had horrendous reception due to the building style, and most VPNs would be blocked so it was difficult to circumvent anyways. I think a complete ban is unreasonable, students should learn how to use technology effectively to ameliorate their education while also learning when it is not appropriate to use it at all (e.g. when the teacher is lecturing).

Edit: I should add for primary school I feel like devices are significantly less useful, and only school owned devices should be used under supervision of staff if necessary (e.g. a computer lab, or a chromebook cart). I do not know how many students bring phones in that age group now, since when I went the most anyone had was an iPod usually except for the rare person with more.

[–] Grennum@sh.itjust.works 0 points 2 years ago

I like the idea of a complete ban on cell phones during teaching periods, and maybe even on school grounds at all. I have no idea how to enforce such a ban and as mentioned in the article if schools are struggling to even contain violence, how are they going to manage cell phone use?

The article highlights an issue, there is something wrong with our schools. It is more then just the normal generational discomfort(though that is part of it). Again I don't know the solution but I think we need to acknowledge that we are failing today's students(they are not failing us because we are the adults). Then we can discuss how to improve things.

[–] theacharnian@lemmy.ca 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Looks like a ban on smartphones would be more reasonable, while allowing certain kinds of old school phones (the kind for example Hasidic Jews use), to allow for emergency contingencies.

Schools have dress codes, and people adapt to those. Maybe we just need tech codes.

[–] Grennum@sh.itjust.works 1 points 2 years ago (3 children)

This is just silly. Just ban the phones.

[–] lp0101@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Right? I survived just fine withiut a cell phone until partway through high school. If there was an emergency, my parents would just call the school.

[–] theacharnian@lemmy.ca 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

In Montreal, it is common for students after a certain age to start commuting back home with public transit. Using the school as the single point of contact is not always possible.

[–] lp0101@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

The ban isn't preventing students from bringing a cell phone and keeping it turned off in their lockers all day.

As an aside, hello fellow Montrealer.

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[–] theacharnian@lemmy.ca 0 points 2 years ago

No it is not silly. You're silly.

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