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[–] JackbyDev@programming.dev 24 points 6 days ago (2 children)

Remember when the argument for self driving cars was that they don't need to be perfect, just better than humans?

[–] vetehinen@lethallava.land 6 points 6 days ago

@JackbyDev@programming.dev @return2ozma@lemmy.world well that's still Waymo's argument I think. Elon is a bit different in many ways...

[–] Zink@programming.dev 2 points 5 days ago

I think that's still a valid argument since perfection will probably never happen.

For me it's more like, remember when the expectation was that Tesla would ever produce a version that didn't suck ass?

[–] Someone8765210932@lemmy.world 31 points 6 days ago (2 children)

If only there was an entity that could make rules about who and what can be driven on public roads.

I know it sounds impossible, but what if this entity could have stepped in before companies tread public roads and other drivers as beta testers for their half finished commercial products? They could have forced companies to either make this stuff work, or keep it off the roads.

Real talk for a moment: The world, but especially the USA has been on fire over the last decade. Sometimes I wonder how different the introduction of certain technologies could have been if everyone wasn't distracted by all the craziness and governments had actually done their job. I'm not just talking about self-driving or AI, as another example, but also crypto and social media in general. Would things be much different, if this stuff appeared during "boring times"?

Sorry, I'm just rambling here ...

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[–] Jaysyn@lemmy.world 19 points 6 days ago

Pretty sure that would make them as bad as or worse than drunk drivers.

[–] voronaam@lemmy.world 10 points 5 days ago

One thing that really gets me is comparing robotaxis with regular driving. How about comparing robotaxis to... taxis? Would not that be much more sane?

Professional taxi drivers do get into accidents. But their per-distance metric is much better than of an average Joe driving home after 10 hours work shift and a one-too-many pint after work.

Why anyone would ever compare robotaxi to anything else but a regular taxi?

[–] bold_atlas@lemmy.world 14 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (18 children)

Feeling a bit smug since I was early adopter of calling "self-driving" cars a grift. Remember when it was an undeniable fact that most cars would be driving entirely by themselves by now?

[–] Zetta@mander.xyz 4 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Waymo self driving cars are very good imo, I live near a location where they operate and drive along side them daily on my way to work and have ridden in one twice. They are way better than human drives in my area.

[–] bold_atlas@lemmy.world 1 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (1 children)

Does waymo even make a profit yet? Look at all the high tech crap they have to have on the cars just to operate in highly developed city. As long as the USA's road conditions remain on par with subharan Africa that's never coming to consumer cars.

[–] Zetta@mander.xyz 1 points 4 days ago

Honestly, no clue. Probably not. You're right, they have a big obstacle in the way of becoming profitable if they aren't because they only operate in certain areas they have a lot of training data for.

[–] resipsaloquitur@lemmy.world 5 points 6 days ago

Six months from now. Just as true today as it was ten years ago.

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[–] drmoose@lemmy.world 5 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (1 children)

Yet $TSLA stock just keeps going up. Remember when news like this would actually mean something in the stock market? America's economy is like 🤏 this close to collapse because everything is fake and nothing matters.

[–] thatKamGuy@sh.itjust.works 4 points 5 days ago

The US Economy after the inevitable, next global depression:

[–] dumbass@piefed.social 8 points 6 days ago

Human: pffft hold my beer... Wait no, I'll keep it.

[–] Resonosity@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 6 days ago (1 children)

I will never take any auto autonomous Tesla. Waymo maybe, but always a taxi or Uber and better yet a bus or train.

I can't remember how many safety features Tesla has foregone in the name of profit, but my perception of them is that they're death machines for both riders and pedestrians. No thank you

[–] skisnow@lemmy.ca 3 points 5 days ago

It’s not even about profit any more, Elon’s ego just won’t let him admit that he was wrong about a camera-only system, when the entire rest of the industry is using LIDAR. Genius businessman doesn’t understand the concept of sunk cost.

[–] cheesybuddha@lemmy.world 7 points 6 days ago

Some things are just super obvious that even if we can, we should not

[–] LittleBorat3@lemmy.world 5 points 6 days ago

They still drive better than Elon who is in a k hole right now 👍

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