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Discussion of climate, how it is changing, activism around that, the politics, and the energy systems change we need in order to stabilize things.

As a starting point, the burning of fossil fuels, and to a lesser extent deforestation and release of methane are responsible for the warming in recent decades: Graph of temperature as observed with significant warming, and simulated without added greenhouse gases and other anthropogentic changes, which shows no significant warming

How much each change to the atmosphere has warmed the world: IPCC AR6 Figure 2 - Thee bar charts: first chart: how much each gas has warmed the world.  About 1C of total warming.  Second chart:  about 1.5C of total warming from well-mixed greenhouse gases, offset by 0.4C of cooling from aerosols and negligible influence from changes to solar output, volcanoes, and internal variability.  Third chart: about 1.25C of warming from CO2, 0.5C from methane, and a bunch more in small quantities from other gases.  About 0.5C of cooling with large error bars from SO2.

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[–] daychilde@lemmy.world 10 points 59 minutes ago

In the US, we use a lot of prime farmland to grow corn that we turn into ethanol - 30,000,000 acres. Thirty million acres!

That ethanol is combined with gas (making the gas less efficient, by the way) and powers our cars in the US.

If you look at the number of miles the ethanol powers in the US, and calculate how many acres of solar we'd need to power electric cars to go that number of miles, we'd need to convert less than a quarter of a million of those acres to solar. So let's round up from 214,000 acres to the 250,000 because... inefficiencies, or whatever.

So we could gain 29,750,000 acres of land to grow more food or whatever and stop growing corn to turn into ethanol just to burn it in our cars.

For that matter, if we wanted to use that ethanol land (JUST the land we're using for ethanol) to power ALL cars in the US, switching everyone over to electric, it would only take about two million acres. Sure, 2,000,000 acres is a lot, but that would still be freeing up TWENTY EIGHT MILLION ACRES of land we're using JUST to grow corn we turn into ethanol.

It does ignore anything like the chaos of forcing everyone to buy a new electric car, setting that infrastructure up - I'm not saying this would be easy, but it is stunning how much land we could stop abusing to grow corn to burn in our cars.

[–] catdog@lemmy.ml 1 points 20 minutes ago

Some ships would carry ammonia, hydrogen, etc.

Still better than the status quo.

[–] skuzz@discuss.tchncs.de 16 points 2 hours ago (4 children)

If the post is even accurate, that likely doesn't factor in secondary needs. Roads, tires, shampoo, soap, lubricants, hydrogen, solvents, medical plastics. So many things made from oil and oil byproducts.

All of these industries have to be looking into alternatives in parallel, if they are even aware.

[–] captain_aggravated@sh.itjust.works 1 points 12 minutes ago

Asphalt for pavement and shingles is amaong the most recycled materials on the planet.

Soap and shampoo can be made from animal fat or vegetable oil.

Hydrogen can be made from water. You get oxygen too.

These are not unsolveable problems.

[–] Zagorath@aussie.zone 10 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

shampoo, soap

We could reduce shipping needed for these if it became the norm to ship them dry and mix with water in the home. Bonus: they could be shipped in paper rather than plastic, and consumed from reusable glass bottles rather than plastic.

[–] Buddahriffic@lemmy.world 1 points 1 hour ago

And set up a bottle deposit and return system that only needs to function at a local level. Haha, the solution to one of the big problems I saw with using glass instead of plastics for packaging. Just don't ship it that way, ship it at scale dry in a paper container that collapses to nothing for the return trip, or holds some other good going back.

[–] Mr_WorldlyWiseman@lemmy.blahaj.zone 5 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 1 hour ago)

The vast majority of oil and gas consumption is just burning the shit in a pile

The oil companies want you to think about plastics to make you think all the oil we drill is important, but it's actually only a tiny fraction. It's all propaganda.

[–] BurnedDonutHole@ani.social 3 points 2 hours ago

You forgot normal plastics. 99.99% of all plastic types are basically made from petroleum.

[–] humanspiral@lemmy.ca 6 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 40 minutes ago)

Also, the top energy reserves by company in the world are 5 Chinese silicon producers. 17 m² of high-efficiency solar panels (approx. 100-200 kg total) can produce the same amount of electricity in a year as one barrel of oil (135kg), and they will continue producing for 25+ years.

In these times, having solar is immunity from geopolitical extortion that applies to those dependent on feeding dinosaurs into their energy furnaces.

[–] technocrit@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 2 hours ago

Renewables... And also reduction. People need to grow up and realize that driving a vanity tank for half a mile to get a gallon of milk is fundamentally unsustainable. Humanity and the planet can no longer afford to support this level of gross privilege, regardless of the "fuel" used.

[–] wewbull@feddit.uk 90 points 6 hours ago (2 children)

...and that would drop the amount of marine fuel needed. Compound interest.

[–] IAmNorRealTakeYourMeds@lemmy.world 26 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

which means we need to transport less fuel around, so less ships

[–] Asfalttikyntaja@sopuli.xyz 7 points 4 hours ago (5 children)

And more unemployed seamen’s.

[–] FundMECFS@piefed.zip 4 points 1 hour ago

I prefer my semen unemployed, thank you.

[–] modus@lemmy.world 22 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

And more unemployed wharf whores.

[–] Asfalttikyntaja@sopuli.xyz 13 points 3 hours ago (2 children)

Doesn’t anyone think about wharf whores!

[–] daychilde@lemmy.world 2 points 58 minutes ago

Seaman certainly do.

[–] jaybone@lemmy.zip 1 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

I’m trying to pronounce the h’s here like Stewie Griffin.

[–] modus@lemmy.world 3 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

Who whants a wharf whore with cool whip?

[–] wewbull@feddit.uk 2 points 2 hours ago

Sounds like a delectable combination.

[–] dylanmorgan@slrpnk.net 1 points 3 hours ago

Just put some money into advanced sailing ship tech and in a decade we’ll have advanced clippers with many more seamen needed.

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[–] RecursiveParadox@lemmy.world 1 points 1 hour ago

Guy doing marine fuel enters the chat.

[–] eleitl@lemmy.zip 7 points 4 hours ago

And if you could build and maintain renewable infrastructure without fossil fuels while generating an order of magnitude energy excess that'd be nice.

[–] Kekzkrieger@feddit.org 11 points 4 hours ago

Imagine not having to rely on countries to pump up oil and polluting the earth by burning it.

We have the technology, but for some reason we want to rely on some other party and pay tons of money.

[–] Imgonnatrythis@sh.itjust.works 28 points 6 hours ago

Or we could get rid of windmills and underfund solar incentives and research, occupy oil producing nations and try to drive this number higher? It's 2026 people, let's redefine what progress means! 🦅💪🎇

[–] altphoto@lemmy.today 16 points 5 hours ago (2 children)

That means fuel will continue to get more expensive as other markets switch to renewable energy sources. That in turn will reduce the number of ships which will make the fuel harder to find, which will reduce the number of products using that fuel, which will eventually result in total elimination of that market.

[–] Blum0108@lemmy.world 18 points 5 hours ago

Unless it's officially propped up by governments at the behest of rich and powerful fossil fuel lobbies!

It's inevitable that it will end some day, but not nearly as fast as it otherwise organically would.

[–] MrMakabar@slrpnk.net 5 points 4 hours ago

The big costs comes from building the infrastructure for fossil fuels. So as soon as demand falls, you have a huge part of the bill has been paid already. So you get low fossil fuel prices. You need to keep in mind that most large oil producers are state owned. Therefore those states will try to shut down other suppliers production.

You can see that already with sanctions against Russia and Iran to keep US oil producers going strong.

[–] Petter1@discuss.tchncs.de 49 points 7 hours ago

🤫pssst,
this is one of the reasons fossil isn’t replaced as fast as it could and should be

[–] Rooster326@programming.dev 29 points 6 hours ago

Inb4

Please think of the Poor Freight Captains and tHe eCoNoMy

[–] RedGreenBlue@lemmy.zip 19 points 6 hours ago

40 % of ships should probably be decomissioned anyway.

[–] rbos@lemmy.ca 3 points 4 hours ago

Some of it is metallurgical coal..but yeah, big drop will happen eventually

[–] vga@sopuli.xyz 2 points 4 hours ago

And the ships themselves are of course powered by fossil fuels.

[–] HrabiaVulpes@lemmy.world 5 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

I wonder how much of that oil is just used to send planes flying.

[–] general_kitten@sopuli.xyz 10 points 5 hours ago* (last edited 5 hours ago) (1 children)

in the US i found figures ranging from 6 to 12% the largest sector by usage is road traffic using ~45% of the oil in us

here's a chart for EU

[–] nodiratime@lemmy.world 1 points 2 hours ago

I bet the 12% are direct use (pipe tail), not all the shit that goes into building and maintaining this orchestrated dance, i.e. at lvl 1 the roads, tires, cars, fuel transport etc. and what does into maintaining and operation the infra to keep lvl 1 gking etc. But accounting (oil, co2...) for end products is surprisingly difficult.

[–] AdolfSchmitler@lemmy.world 1 points 3 hours ago

Yeah but that means shipping company profits get cut almost in half and we can't let that happen now can we?

[–] 5715@feddit.org 6 points 5 hours ago

Do you have a source?

[–] ManfredMumpitz@feddit.org 14 points 7 hours ago
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