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President Donald Trump has warned the U.K. and France that the “U.S.A. won’t be there to help you anymore,” as he vented his frustration over the close allies’ refusal to join military action against Iran.

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[–] nutsack@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 2 hours ago

it would be good to see him get impressed or politically neutered or both or other things

[–] fodor@lemmy.zip 4 points 1 hour ago

The word "allies" means people who work together for a common goal. When Trump made up his own goals (e.g., tariffs, wars), he got rid of those. So there's nothing to ally around.

[–] Etterra@discuss.online 1 points 1 hour ago

I mean that's what he wanted all along, so...

[–] horn_e4_beaver@discuss.tchncs.de 12 points 9 hours ago

I find it helpful to picture Zoidberg whenever Trump opens his mouth.

[–] Greyghoster@aussie.zone 4 points 8 hours ago

Is the US not there or is Trump not there? He’s pretty old and not that healthy. Sooner or later someone more pragmatic will be in the chair.

[–] TigerAce@lemmy.dbzer0.com 21 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

They never were. We were there for them though. There's only one NATO country who used NATO article 5 "an attack against one is an attack against all": the US after 9/11. And the rest came to their aid.

[–] SlurpingPus@lemmy.world 1 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 1 hour ago)

Really? Let's check that:

The decision to invoke NATO's collective self-defense provisions was undertaken at NATO's own initiative, without a request by the United States, and occurred despite the hesitation of Germany, Belgium, Norway, and the Netherlands.

Two small military operations were ultimately authorized under the terms of the resolutions: Operation Eagle Assist, consisting of the deployment of several aircraft to North America; and, Operation Active Endeavour, a mostly symbolic naval deployment in the Mediterranean Sea. The United States, which was skeptical of NATO capabilities, elected not to seek further Article 5 support and the alliance did not participate in the ensuing American invasion of Afghanistan, though some individual members did make contributions outside of the NATO command structure.

[–] xav@programming.dev 4 points 9 hours ago

Oh no ! Anyway.

[–] Tarambor@lemmy.world 20 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

They never were. For decades the US has only been in NATO for it's own enrichment and it's own defence. The ballistic early warning radar that the US have in the UK aren't of any use to us, flight times from Russia are so short that we'd not be able to react. But they do give the US a significant amount of time to be warned of inbound nukes and to do something about it for them.

[–] lauha@lemmy.world 6 points 12 hours ago

At least we have time to react when Trump sends the nukes. :)

[–] random_character_a@lemmy.world 34 points 14 hours ago

Draft dodging pedophile says what?

[–] Z3k3@lemmy.world 117 points 17 hours ago (5 children)

I thought America had the greatest army in the world and didn't want out help anyway

[–] FlashMobOfOne@lemmy.world 3 points 5 hours ago

Also, from what he's said previously, apparently we already won the war?

[–] whotookkarl@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 7 hours ago* (last edited 7 hours ago)

Yeah and the war is already over but they need help with the current main objective of the war opening the straits to pedophile run countries that was open before the war started if I'm tracking things right

[–] WhatAmLemmy@lemmy.world 25 points 16 hours ago* (last edited 16 hours ago) (2 children)

When has America actually helped anyone since WW2? Korea? Kuwait? Everything else was dubious, at best; often crimes against humanity levels of imperialism, corruption, and war crimes.

Most of the cold war was so tense and dangerous because they considered everything other than capitalism — regardless of any populations democratic will and self-determination — an existential threat that warrants warfare and mass murder.

I think the cold war was less about ideology about economic systems and more about alignment with the Soviet Union.

There was plenty of eurocommunism and social democracy in Europe that wasn't commented on by the US. Relations with the PRC were normalized in the 1970s after the 1961 sino-soviet split.

[–] AngryCommieKender@lemmy.world 4 points 14 hours ago

Technically we were trying to help out France with the Vietnam war

[–] Kirp123@lemmy.world 6 points 16 hours ago

Pete's Warriors just need a little bit of help. Warriors ask for help don't they?

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[–] Diddlydee@feddit.uk 31 points 15 hours ago

I thought he didn't need help? Never shuts up about how much he's winning.

[–] Dogiedog64@lemmy.world 21 points 14 hours ago
[–] Marcomunista@lemmy.dbzer0.com 58 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

Okay, great, let us know if you need a hand dismantling U.S. bases in Europe

[–] albbi@piefed.ca 9 points 15 hours ago

Or like in Afghanistan, just leave everything behind and gtfo.

[–] MadhuGururajan@programming.dev 69 points 17 hours ago (2 children)

The fool doesn't understand that any "joint military action" will trigger WW3

[–] nova_ad_vitum@lemmy.ca 20 points 14 hours ago* (last edited 13 hours ago)

The moment anyone else moves to assist he will simply bail out and walk away. He was actually dumb enough to say that out loud too. It would be strategically stupid and politically suicidal for anyone else to get involved.

[–] UnspecificGravity@piefed.social 68 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

Pretty sure that's the intent of whoever is telling Trump what to do.

[–] MadhuGururajan@programming.dev 16 points 17 hours ago (4 children)

then THAT "whoever" is a fool. A world war is pretty much the end of the gravy train. They're dumb if they think they will come out on top.

[–] UnspecificGravity@piefed.social 31 points 17 hours ago (6 children)

You seem pretty confident in that despite the fact that large scale wars have made the current players in this war rich and powerful in the first place.

Look at the outcomes of WWII. The US and Russia emerge as superpowers. Hell, it's the only reason Israel even exists.

Wars exist because they benefit the ruling class.

[–] halcyoncmdr@piefed.social 2 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

Look at the outcomes of WWII. The US and Russia emerge as superpowers.

The US and Russia emerged as superpowers because 99% of the fighting wasn't on their land. They didn't have to rebuild.

[–] UnspecificGravity@piefed.social 0 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

You are correct about the US, but including Russia makes you sound like a moron.

[–] halcyoncmdr@piefed.social 2 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

Why? Because you think there's enough difference between the USSR and Russia to differentiate between them? The only major difference is that half the continent is no longer under Russian rule. Russia is USSR light. Same shit different day, regardless of what they want to claim about communism/capitalism/oligarchs/etc. It's the rich fucks running everything and killing or "disappearing" anyone critical of the regime.

[–] UnspecificGravity@piefed.social 1 points 3 hours ago

So what I am hearing if they you don't care that your statement is factually incorrect. Neat.

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[–] gravitas_deficiency@sh.itjust.works 12 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

You need to understand that there is a real faction within the already heinous Nationalist Christians that are even more truly batshit insane than their already crazy baseline, who are genuinely doing their level best to bring about the biblical end times - which, of course just means a nuclear holocaust for everyone. This is not hyperbole. There are people who are actually pushing for that outcome who are part of our regime right now.

[–] MadhuGururajan@programming.dev 5 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

I would love to see the day their faces realize they are going to jail as the handcuffs click

[–] lauha@lemmy.world 3 points 12 hours ago

I want to believe

[–] ShadowRam@fedia.io 10 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

They want the world to end, so Jesus will come.

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[–] humanspiral@lemmy.ca 10 points 13 hours ago

UK should ground all US assets at its air force bases, and tell US "As soon as you cease illegal attack operations, we with rest of world, will return SoH back to normal." Thank you for your attention on this matter.

[–] Lemmyoutofhere@lemmy.ca 31 points 16 hours ago* (last edited 16 hours ago)

Oh no! Anyways…..

Trump speed running making the US irrelevant again.

[–] Foni@piefed.zip 15 points 16 hours ago

We don't need your help, we are satisfied that YOU DO NOT BREAK THE FUCKING PLANET AND THE ENTIRE INTERNATIONAL SYSTEM

[–] atzanteol@sh.itjust.works 14 points 16 hours ago

The problem, you vainglorious asshole, is that you wouldn't have been anyway and everyone has realized that. And now that you've pissed away all of America's good will you have no leverage.

[–] Gsus4@mander.xyz 13 points 17 hours ago

kthxbye, asshole.

[–] melsaskca@lemmy.ca 11 points 16 hours ago (2 children)

The usa will be there to help in the future, once trump is dead and gone, but only if there is anything left of it after trump and his cronies suck it dry.

[–] BrightCandle@lemmy.world 8 points 14 hours ago

The problem is the views that got Trump elected will still be there in the country for the foreseeable future. So ultimately the USA is not a reliable member of NATO at any point since Trump was first elected. The USA is no longer a member they just haven't changed the treaties yet. That won't be going back at any point in the lifetime of anyone who lived through the Trump era.

[–] timewarp@lemmy.world 7 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

Democrats will be there to serve Israel once Trump is gone.

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[–] PedroMaldonado@lemmy.world 9 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

What a fucking child. Your president, america!

[–] IchNichtenLichten@lemmy.wtf 1 points 5 hours ago

We've replaced realpolitik with tantrums.

[–] HubertManne@piefed.social 3 points 13 hours ago

why you helping yourself? why you helping yourself?

[–] Nagrom@lemmy.ca 4 points 14 hours ago

We will remember

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