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[–] UmbraVivi@hexbear.net 51 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Hey my fellow radicals, it's me, Federick Langley, your local Marxist revolutionary. Here's a tip on how to bring about communism:

Are you a leftist in a position of higher social status? Do you have an annual income of over $100k or are you on track to get there? Are you pursuing higher education?

Quit! No true Marxist should ever be anywhere near a position of power or greater social influence. Work at an Amazon fulfillment center instead! The path to true leftist enlightenment is poverty and powerlessness. Only then can our beloved leader, radical communist Bernie Sanders, ever become president.

Cowabunga, hexbear! Federick Langley signing out!

[–] sleeplessone@lemmy.ml 9 points 1 day ago

Are you a leftist in a position of higher social status? Do you have an annual income of over $100k or are you on track to get there? Are you pursuing higher education?

Quit! No true Marxist should ever be anywhere near a position of power or greater social influence.

Shit, are you the one that's been screaming this at me inside my head this whole time?

[–] Damarcusart@hexbear.net 24 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Oh hey, big fan! Do you mind if I ask you a question? Me and the boys are going to go out and do some illicit activities in the name of the revolution soon, and we were thinking that we should let people know ahead of time what we're doing, on all our socials, you know? That way as many people as possible can show up to help out, what do you think?

[–] UmbraVivi@hexbear.net 24 points 1 day ago

That's exactly how to do it! In my long history of anti-american and antisemitic property damage, I have found that publicly announcing your activities ahead of time leads to much better turnout. Graham Platner and I have personally discussed this at great lengths.

[–] CommanderCloon@lemmy.ml 16 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Also Marxism isn't a moral framework; being a worker isn't "better" than being a capitalist or a renter. It's en economical analysis.

The issue with renters and capitalists is when they fight to uphold capitalism, which some workers absolutely do as well.

Literally the best thing you could do as a Marxist, objectively, would be to become a billionaire and use the tools of the oligarchy to spread class consciousness to workers & finance Marxist political parties.

The only reason there are no good billionaires is that they instead prop up fascism to poison the politicla discourse away from class consciousness. But apart from that (and other things like their ecological impact, fighting unions, promoting capitalism etc) they're no worse morally than a worker

[–] infuziSporg@hexbear.net 3 points 22 hours ago

Literally the best thing you could do as a Marxist, objectively, would be to become a billionaire

Nobody becomes a billionaire without a severely criminal level of depriving other people of the wealth they generate.

You can maybe (with a lot of luck) become a tycoon with wealth in the millions or tens of millions and propagate a model that funds revolutionary orgs. But if you're making a career out of exploiting people for the lofty purposes of someday maybe ending exploitation, what are you doing?

[–] SkingradGuard@hexbear.net 24 points 1 day ago

Socialism is when you're destitute and unable to live a life of dignity

[–] aqwxcvbnji@hexbear.net 13 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Multiple things can be true at the same time:

  1. Yes, it's very usefull for a marxist to go work in industry and logistical choikepoints (ports, trains). A marxist party should do this.
  2. This does not imply that all other work becomes useless. A professor/teacher can open the minds of many of their students, and can also build struggle at their own job. The teachers union is also important for marxists.
  3. You should not be expected to follow path 1 unless as a part of a plan by a party. If you do it alone and isolated, there's no point.
  4. In countries with student-debt like the US, asking of people who went to college to take low-paying jobs on purpose is quite an ask. They should be supported by a party which does this by paying of (a part) of your student debt while engaging in such work. Otherwise, they'll be financially ruined.
  5. Point 4 is only possible if your party has money, which implies that a party should ask for a percentege of income of it's cadres/have a maximum income level. Given this role, it's usefull fo to have professors in your org, whose financial contribution can fascilitate indebted people to actually go work among the industrial proletariat.
[–] infuziSporg@hexbear.net 1 points 22 hours ago* (last edited 21 hours ago)

Re #4 (connecting to other points too):
You can solve the student debt problem via collective action. Live in a cheaper city or municipality, with roommates, split ownership of 1 car with bike and bus for everything else, cook in bulk with less or no animal products, choose cheaper forms of leisure, all of a sudden you are freeing up $10,000 per person per year, compared to the liberal (economically atomized/individualized) approach.

Any worthy org will give you the connections to do this. If they're developed enough, they'll even have housing already that they can put you in where your annual baseline expenses are just $5000, and all your post-tax income beyond that becomes disposable to whatever purpose. If someone conceptually wants revolution, but they're not willing to give up their all-American proprietary comforts, then they're really not a serious communist. For details, see my profile/bio.

I work in the industrial proletariat, and in proportional terms I am absolutely pumping out cash.

With regard to the OOP (who makes some good points but is unnecessarily divisive):
Longshoremen and truck drivers make a decent margin above minimum wage, and warehouse staff make a little bit above minimum. OOP is not necessarily asking that people take a hit to their living standards. In fact, the reality for many college graduates, especially these days, is that they don't find a job in their field or even end up underemployed. Many college professors aren't really that well-off; I've met plenty of people with master's or doctorate degrees who took years to find a job in academia or didn't get paid anywhere close to the median household earning. The earnings gap is not that big unless you win one of the competitive positions.

Moreover, you develop class consciousness and organizing acuity by working alongside many other proletarians. Sometimes you might even find exploitable weak points in the capitalist system.

People make the mistake of assuming "this career path and lifestyle in front of my nose is the only option for me", then they go down the corollaries of "I don't have the reasonable ability to do anything else" and "All these poor labor aristocrats are maximally leveraged, and there's no other way it could possibly be".

[–] EchoVerse@hexbear.net 24 points 1 day ago

TIL Engels wasn’t a Marxist

[–] Chana@hexbear.net 19 points 1 day ago

This is a common Maoist position. Not even just imperial core Maoists. Maoists from India to the Philippines often say the same thing: academics is petty bourgeois, drop out and do armed revolution / organize an industry.

They have a bit of a point (academia can co-opt you into the greater liberal project) but are mostly just telling their most committed members to be less rich and flexible professionally which seems counterproductive to me.

[–] redparadise@hexbear.net 33 points 1 day ago

stop fetishizing poverty, the more classes we have allies across, the better.

[–] Damarcusart@hexbear.net 72 points 1 day ago (2 children)

I really do hate the attitude that some people have that you're not a "real Marxist" unless you work 18 hours a day slaving away in a factory somewhere, with no education, barely able to read and write. Like, what do they think the vanguard party is for? Not everyone has the luxury of education, and some people get an education and are well off, but understand that it is a great injustice that so many people are deprived of that, and try to make a difference.

[–] SorosFootSoldier@hexbear.net 61 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Back breaking hard labor does not equal a communist. My dad is a butcher and it tore his body up and he's a reactionary.

[–] Damarcusart@hexbear.net 42 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I had a second paragraph talking about the idea of "if education is not liberating, the dream of the oppressed is to become the oppressor." but I couldn't really quite connect it back to the first paragraph, but I'd say "no education" is just about the least liberating it could possibly be.

[–] TreadOnMe@hexbear.net 22 points 1 day ago

With no education, it is difficult to even conceive that a different world is possible, and extremely easy to fall prey to word or number games.

[–] hotcouchguy@hexbear.net 55 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Anecdotal, but I've been in or around a lot of different radical orgs over the years, and the core members tend to be over-educated downwardly-mobile, semi-proletarianized, precarious semi-professionals. Like adjunct professors or lab techs or anything-medical-tech or semi-permanent substitute teachers or etc. All these positions that either didn't exist, or used to be much better, before neoliberalism. Just existing in that social layer really makes you deeply hostile to the entire system.

So yeah I guess my advice to young people is go ahead and get that PhD in environmental science you're considering, and then work at the local water department for a few years until they sell the whole thing to Nestle or whatever, and then just see where your politics land.

[–] Inui@hexbear.net 47 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

Colleges are largely liberal and most serious Marxist/socialist scholars are blacklisted (Parenti, Graeber, Lady Izdihar) but anyone who says "don't go to college" is someone I don't trust. College isn't the only path to careers and isn't the only place people learn. Community colleges offering welding and mechanic certifications are also just as legit as universities. That kind of elitism is toxic. But people who have the means to go do learn and usually become better humans because of it, even if from nothing else but osmosis and being around different groups of people. College liberals arts professors working as adjuncts at 4 different institutions simultaneously are not class enemies. There's huge differences in degree from those to ivy professors spending all their time getting MIC grants for weapons research.

Ibrahim Traore has a geology degree. Xi Jinping has a degree in chemical engineering and further education in Marxist theory. Graeber had a degree in anthropology. Castro had a law degree. There's a reason education is one of the first things socialists focus on after taking power.

Also "marxist professor" could mean they're an econ ghoul who knows all about Marx in theory, but are not a Marxist themselves. There's a lot of those.

[–] aqwxcvbnji@hexbear.net 16 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Also "marxist professor" could mean they're an econ ghoul who knows all about Marx in theory, but are not a Marxist themselves. There's a lot of those.

As a marxist who studied economics, I can assure you that there are almost no econ-professors who know anything about Marx at all. During my entire degree, I saw +/-5 pages about marx, which was given in a "history of economics"-course in a "Economics used to be shitty like this, but now, we have figured out the best way to model everything: the neoclassical way"-way. The fact that I even had a "history of economics"-course means that my university is considered quite heterodox and openminded compared to the standard situation in many econ)departments.

The rare marxist econmist you do see, is someone who I would consider very valuable, even if they're not engaging with activism or party building. For example, Anwar Shaikh, produces extremely interesting stuff.

[–] Inui@hexbear.net 5 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Fair, I could have been off base with that last comment. He was talked about quite a bit in my philosophy degree, and I know was also discussed in religion classes, sociology, and even a little bit in business to the point that one of my business major friends was reading Capital. But he was completely uninterested in the "social or moral" content, and wanted only to know what as said about "the economy". So I know it happens where some majors are exposed, maybe think they know a lot about Marx, but don't engage with his work in any meaningful context or in a very deep manner.

[–] purpleworm@hexbear.net 7 points 1 day ago (1 children)

To be fair, while ignoring the social content is ridiculous, a central element of Marxism is that it doesn't base itself on moral arguments, however morally passionate its authors obviously are.

[–] Inui@hexbear.net 5 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Sure. They just pretty explicitly rejected the idea of reading anything else because they weren't interested in what people interpreted form his work or anything. Like reading Marx was pure and appropriate to their finance degree, but reading anything based on his work was not because then it entered the forbidden realm of politics.

[–] aqwxcvbnji@hexbear.net 1 points 7 hours ago

That person should really be encouraged to keep reading Marx, you cannot not learn anything from it :)

[–] AssortedBiscuits@hexbear.net 17 points 1 day ago

Yeah, there's a vast difference between community colleges and some shitty private university that's full of nepos and legacies. Community colleges tend to be more working class due to not being outrageously expensive. Plus, you get a more representative societal slice. You have young people who are there to transfer to another university after getting their AA degree, you have middle-aged people (re)entering college to get a degree for career advancement, and so on. The professors at community colleges are a lot less dipshitty in terms of accommodating your schedule since the vast majority of community college students are working.

[–] PKMKII@hexbear.net 56 points 1 day ago

Because no one with a college degree ends up being in a union, very big-brained take.

[–] FlakesBongler@hexbear.net 54 points 1 day ago

Ruin your body so some guy on the internet will give you street cred, that's a great idea!

[–] kristina@hexbear.net 50 points 1 day ago

Petite bourgeoisie is whatever I don't like the more I hate it the more petite it is

[–] DragonBallZinn@hexbear.net 5 points 1 day ago (1 children)
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[–] ShinkanTrain@lemmy.ml 9 points 1 day ago

Heated Pol Pot moment

[–] FourteenEyes@hexbear.net 43 points 1 day ago

Liberals are obsessed with aesthetics huh

[–] purpleworm@hexbear.net 32 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Of course they're a Maoist. I think there are Maoists who are in many respects very cool, but for some reason in the west it attracts some of the most annoying people, and I can only imagine a Maoist having this level of anti-intellectualism among nominal Marxists. I guess rarely it comes up with the more chauvinist Stalin fans who just do strawman Stakhanovism unironically, but even they usually aren't this bad (in this respect, they are much worse in other respects).

Edit: So I know Mao said some things that, especially removed from the context of where and why he said them, feed into that anti-intellectual attitude, but he was also literally a teacher and said even after the revolution that that was how he wanted to be remembered. He obviously smoked a large portion of the intelligentsia following the Hundred Flowers campaign*, but the campaign only took place because of his strong belief in the importance of education and the development of socialist theory, something he believed in for all of his life.

*I'm not saying this to weigh in on whether he was right or wrong here, but for understanding trends in his attitudes

[–] ourtimewillcome@hexbear.net 24 points 1 day ago (2 children)

in my experience, a depressing number of western maoists haven't actually read mao, and it shows.

[–] CyborgMarx@hexbear.net 14 points 1 day ago

There's a weird phenomenon that happens to western maoists outside the Black radical tradition where they somehow transmute themselves into a kind of reverse Left Communism, where instead of despising the global south and AES they attempt to universalize historical conditions in the global south and apply them to the imperial core

Creating these bizarre expectations where apparently if we play our cards right a "peasants revolution" could totally be imminent in the United States

[–] purpleworm@hexbear.net 12 points 1 day ago (3 children)

Really? Not even reading the Little Red Book and calling it theory? I admit that I haven't met many self-identified Maoists myself, mostly I just read what they write.

a lot of them are Gonzaloists

[–] Owl@hexbear.net 21 points 1 day ago (3 children)

You're in for a fun time when you run into a Maoist who's apparently only read Combat Liberalism.

[–] Chana@hexbear.net 9 points 1 day ago

Only read Combat Liberalism and constantly tries to get everyone to read it even though their audience has no chance of understanding it (just like them!).

[–] chgxvjh@hexbear.net 10 points 1 day ago

*Only read the title of combat liberalism

[–] purpleworm@hexbear.net 12 points 1 day ago

As bleak as that would be, I genuinely think I could work with that. Combat Liberalism puts a huge emphasis on intellectual integrity, which is necessary for disabusing someone of things like the OOP.

[–] ourtimewillcome@hexbear.net 12 points 1 day ago

my encounters with those people have admitadly been few, as well as superficial, so i might not be the best judge.

it's just, that in my experience, they at times tend to be more about the vibe of maoism, than the actual substance. i was bringing up stuff from on practice during organisational stuff for some work my org did together with some local maoists and some of them gave the impression of not being familiar with the text, which left me somewhat shocked, lmao

i don't live in that place anymore, so maybe they've since gotten better, idk

[–] Sanctus@anarchist.nexus 43 points 1 day ago

Go to Circle K, get yourself two hot dogs

Eat half of one and throw the other out

Stay hungry

[–] plinky@hexbear.net 14 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

one would think one would have an idea this shit been tried 200 years ago and 100 years ago and 50 years ago.