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[–] TimothyOilypants@lemmy.ca -1 points 6 hours ago* (last edited 5 hours ago)

There are so many places people can turn to for journalism, opinions, and first hand accounts about day-to-day life in China. Why does everyone continue to swallow the propaganda explicitly delivered by eurocentric, western corporate media outlets?

No nation in the entirety of human history has provided a higher standard of living to a larger population than China. Why is it so hard for people to believe that the majority of people might actually appreciate and choose the structures and systems managed by the CCP?

Do people really believe that if any meaningful proportion of the more than 1,400,000,000 Chinese citizens (~40% of whom have received formal military training) had significant objections to their way of life that they wouldn't be able to facilitate change or make more noise? It seems phenomenally disrespectful and beggars belief to imply that such a large number of people are either too stupid/immoral to care, or too cowardly to act. Is it not possible that they simply have a different set of values?

[–] Sepia@mander.xyz 2 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

According to the survey linked in the article,

one area where the U.S. still gets higher ratings than China has to do with personal freedoms: More say the U.S. government respects the personal freedoms of its people than say the same of the Chinese government.

Pew Research did also a survey to find out how views of the U.S. and China compare specifcally in Latin America:

  • Views of China are now slightly more positive than views of the U.S., due largely to worsening views of the U.S.
  • People generally lack confidence in both Trump and Chinese President Xi Jinping to do the right thing regarding world affairs.
  • People are much more likely to say the U.S. interferes in the affairs of other countries than they are to say the same of China, but the two superpowers are seen in a fairly similar light when it comes to their reliability as a partner and contributions to global peace and stability.

All in all it is a more balanced view and doesn't serve the Chinese propaganda.

What is absolutely missing in my humble opinion is how the U.S. and China compare to European countries, Australia, New Zealand, Canada, and all the other democracies. The choice between Donald Trump and Xi Jinping is just a bit like the choice between the plague and cholera. But that's just my opinion, maybe I am mistaken.

[–] Sleeping_Elephant@lemmy.ca 1 points 6 hours ago

There isn’t a third option at this point though. China’s advanced fabs should be coming online by the end of the decade and will have a fully integrated supply chain. Especially since they found the silica they need. Which until last month was an absolute monopoly controlled by the USA.

So you really have only two choices. The West or China.

[–] TerdFerguson@lemmy.ca 29 points 23 hours ago* (last edited 23 hours ago) (1 children)

It's true. I used to be pretty anti-China. I mean the CCP seemed like they were setting up as the primary antagonist for the geopolitical meta, at least from the Canadian perspective.

But then the States goes all "hold my fuckin' beer" and kicks us in the balls from behind. So yeah.. Fuck you, USA.

[–] Sepia@mander.xyz 1 points 11 hours ago (2 children)

How does it make China better when the U.S. gets worse? It's sad, but China is still much worse than the U.S., it's just that the China Communist Party has already the country's media and its citizen under full censorship control, while Trump is aiming at that.

[–] TerdFerguson@lemmy.ca 4 points 9 hours ago* (last edited 9 hours ago) (1 children)

The US has betrayed our long-standing friendship. It's not about who objectively has the most human rights violations and geopolitical power abuses on record, and this is truly debatable in the case of assessing these two.

[–] lastweakness@lemmy.world 2 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

I don't think it's really debatable. The US is far worse than China.

[–] TerdFerguson@lemmy.ca 1 points 4 hours ago

Yea, I think so too

[–] kent_eh@lemmy.ca 4 points 10 hours ago

How does it make China better

China hasn't got better, the USA simply got worse.

[–] eestileib@sh.itjust.works 21 points 1 day ago (2 children)

China isn't putting tariffs on us or threatening to invade and their ambassador isn't a giant asshole who keeps insulting us, so yeah.

[–] Sepia@mander.xyz 1 points 11 hours ago

In June, China imposed 73.5% preliminary tariff on Canadian pea starch.

China may have a different approach than the Trump's U.S., but the coercion goes on, very much as China does with all its "partners" ...

[–] ivanvector@piefed.ca 4 points 16 hours ago

Well, they are putting tariffs on us, but with sound logic and room to negotiate, while the USA is just throwing tariffs on anything and everything for whatever reason they can make up.

[–] reluctant_squidd@lemmy.ca 18 points 1 day ago

This reads like more of a trade piece. China is seen as a more reliable trade partner.

I would argue that they are looking better for more than that. Politics aside, they are actively pursuing better technologies and methods to curb climate change, have firm predictable stances on most anything, whether you agree with them or not, and they generally seem to stick to a plan or agreement.

The biggest elephant in the room with them seems to be Taiwan and their record of human rights issues. Which, although terrible, are still somewhat predicable.

It’s wild to me that we are in a universe where this is happening, however compared to the US, where every day seems to bring a new flavour of uncertainty and ridiculousness, no wonder.

[–] saltesc@lemmy.world 13 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

People surveyed in 36 countries now see China more positively than the U.S., with more overall having higher confidence in Chinese President Xi Jinping than in Trump.

I just know there's a bunch of Americans on the internet right now, getting whooshed so hard as their brains interpret that with, "So you think China is good?"

[–] MajorMajormajormajor@lemmy.ca 3 points 22 hours ago

The language is part to blame. "More positive" vs "more negatively" can have a different meaning if read without care. Or it shades it a certain way to alter the meaning.

I mean, thats a low low low bar

[–] schwim@piefed.zip 6 points 1 day ago

As a 'Murican, I can't hardly blame them.