culturally underdeveloped people
Well that's certainly a phrase that is in no way racist
culturally underdeveloped people
Well that's certainly a phrase that is in no way racist
what's all this nazism doing in my anticommunism?
when your culture is rotten to the core, it would certainly seem that other cultures are uhh unripened
Marxism is a way to view the world that has like 7 books written on it
Marx had a fundamental misunderstanding in that the cost of something doesn't affect its end value. It may affect its price, but value isn't the same thing as price either.
Hence most left wing Marxist-based economies sucking.
This is trivial to demonstrate; look at the Juicero. Tons of labor and materials poured into making one (hence a high cost) which required setting a high price to recoup... but very little value. Nobody bought the damn things, so it's high price did not match it's value. Other examples are industrial settings, where custom fixtures/molds can reach 6 digit $ price tags during production runs. Then at EOL for the project be sold off for literal pennies to scrap dealers.
Lmao, Marx famously failed to consider socially useless labor time and fixed capital investment.
One failed product clearly disproves everything Marx ever wrote, communism has never been more finished
It's just so silly, they are just making the mudpie argument which is dispelled in the first few pages of capital.
Gotta love showing an example of how capitalism failed means communism didn't work lmao. Yeah there might be people starving and juiceros being created and failing but that definitely doesn't have to do with the distribution of goods based on profit instead of need. Nope.
Marxism is a way to view the world that has like 7 books written on it
Aside from that Marx and Engels personally wrote more than this, it's always insightful how they don't just not know about communism and don't know that there's a lot they don't know, but also actively suppose there is almost nothing to know even according to communists
Are these people really that ignorant?
LMFAO these people think gold and diamonds just spawn on the surface like Monster Hunter resource gathering points and all you have to do is pick them up
what is mining? sounds like Tankie Misinformation to me lol
Plus the extensiveness to which they have already been mined means generally further mining operations need to go much deeper underground, making it all the more expensive. These fuckers are talking like you can just pan for gold and get by the ingot.
I wonder if there’s some sort of monopoly on diamonds artificially inflating their price. Does Marx talk about supply/demand and explain that this can alter prices but not value? I wonder.
Anyways, this person thinking it takes no time/effort to “produce” diamonds/gold is funny (esp. with the case of lab diamonds).
Marx does talk about precious/luxury goods in Capital volume 1 actually. If I remember right he specifically talks about pearls and paintings. But if I remember right he doesn't define paintings as commodities, since their value can't be reproduced through the same methods, since the value comes from the rarity associated with the artist. He says something similar about pearls too.
But that poster is completely wrong. Gold doesn't take labor to mine out of the ground? Diamonds don't take labor to mine or synthesize? What
Progressive left's worldview can be roughly summarized as "America bad, capitalism bad". It's barely any more nuanced than the GOP electorate, whose entire philosophy seems to be "Trump good, own the libs".
Heh, my ideology is so much more complex. See, I believe socialism bad, white capitalist countries good.
America bad, capitalism bad
This would make you have a correct opinion 95% of the time.
Painful amounts of projection.
Neoliberals have zero nuance. If something is designated as an enemy by the state department, everything it does in every situation is bad, and everything negative someone says about it must be true. But it's the people who think it's more complicated who just don't see nuance.
a lot of people that call themselves leftists just adopt “capitalism bad and culturally underdeveloped people good” as their core principle and go from there instead of reading the books
Honestly, (aside from the racist framing) if you follow these rules you'll probably be on the correct side of history 99% of the time
"culturally underdeveloped" has got to be the most liberal way of saying something racist I've ever heard. They might as well just come out and say savages or barbarians. How does this framework even operate? The USA is supposedly culturally developed? The only country that has dropped atom bombs on civilians and has the largest prison population? Ok.
culturally underdeveloped people
cultural development: willingly and casually letting a million people die from a plague so that line temporarily goes up
leftists just adopt “capitalism bad and culturally underdeveloped people good” as their core principle and go from there instead of reading the books
This is fucking racist
The Avatar worldview. The James Cameron one, not the good one
Yeah sure ATLA certainly has no black and white message about the consequences of industrialism and imperialism on pre-industrial societies.
This exchange really exposes how disgusting liberals are
leftists just adopt “capitalism bad and culturally underdeveloped people good” as their core principle and go from there instead of reading the books
Lmao ghouls saying the quiet part out loud be less racist loser
Do you like lgbt rights,freedom of speech,rights for women? All of these are signs of an objectively more developed culture.cultures that don’t have these are worse for their own people. Or do you think every cultural practice holds equal value?
Using LGBT+ rights and women's rights as a racist cudgel to justify neoliberal economic policy and imperialism, which directly contributes to these nation's reactionary governments (and in many cases the imperialists fund and back reactionaries that PROMOTE these discriminatory governments). This is also ignoring all of the reactionary policies in the imperial core that are enacted by their favourite neoliberal politicians. These shitstains have no right to concern troll or virtue signal over minority rights and women's rights when they don't actually care about it.
Liberals are deeply unserious.
Using LGBT+ rights and women's rights as a racist cudgel to justify neoliberal economic policy and imperialism, which directly contributes to these nation's reactionary governments (and in many cases the imperialists fund and back reactionaries that PROMOTE these discriminatory governments). This is also ignoring all of the reactionary policies in the imperial core that are enacted by their favourite neoliberal politicians. These shitstains have no right to concern troll or virtue signal over minority rights and women's rights when they don't actually care about it.
It has just struck me that this is the same tactic Israel uses with antisemitism. It's self-reinforcing because it causes antisemitism in foreign countries, which causes jews to support Israel because of the antisemitism.
The LGBT and women's rights cudgel the west uses to advance economic domination and power causes reactionary anti-lgbt behaviour in foreign countries, and in turn that homophobia and misogyny causes LGBT and women's rights people to even more strongly support the west.
So many comments claiming marx is wrong because they don't understand what the "value" is in LTV. Some of them are literally saying he's wrong because he doesn't understand value is different to price which is lol
I'm getting flashbacks to my mandatory Econ 101 course where the professor once asked me to leave the room because I had actually read Marx and could quote his actual words and thus got into a heated argument over what Communism was
I wasn't in trouble, but I was very much on the verge of throwing my backpack at a guy who kept insisting that welfare was communist
"You say Cuba is a democracy, but it's been rated 3/10 burgers by the Freedom Burger Institute (partially funded by the CIA, partially funded by the American Christofascist caucus), check out this Wikipedia page."
I'll take "Ill-advised things to say at an independent bookstore" for 500, Alex
Marxism is a way to view the world that has like 7 books written on it
buzzer
What is "words spoken immediately prior to getting crushed to death under a pile of books"?
I only read twenty pages of the first kapital.doesn’t the theory of value say that an item’s worth is increased by the amount of effort or time put into creating it?
Then there are posters agreeing with that definition. Oh my god, these people haven't read anything. Marx defines socially necessary labor time in chapter one, which this person claims to have read.
Culturally underdeveloped
Liberals breaking new grounds in ways to say racist things while using academic sounding jargon. Fuck these people. They think they're so culturally advanced and yet neoliberalism and the west are the biggest enablers of genocide worldwide. Apparently drone strikes are a feature of culturally advanced people
boiled down to "you worked on a thing, so you deserve the entire revenue of that thing", which obviously isn't true. Like, if your employer lends you a hammer for free, shouldn't he be entilted to some of the profits that the hammer creates?
Good god the layers on this
I like to hit people with some variation of:
A couple years ago I hired a guy to patch my roof. Now I'm selling my house. How much of the proceeds should I give him?
People start twisting themselves in knots real fast with that example. They generally understand and accept home ownership even if they can't afford it but they simply can NOT empathize with equity holders otherwise.
Did you not pay your roofer wtf
Even scholars whose theories aged far better like Darwin and Newton are similarly unreadable
yeah those guys have been proved wrong a lot haven't they
Marx failed to consider (thing he wrote about in Capital Volume 1, Chapter 1, Page 1)
Kapital is perfectly coherent to the extent that any early-to-mid-19th century economic treatise was. Economics was far less scientific than it is today and is both written very differently and comes to very different conclusions than Marx, which makes Kapital painful to read today
Even scholars whose theories aged far better like Darwin and Newton are similarly unreadable [emphasis mine]
:susie-laugh:
Watching neoliberal apologists try to disprove Marx is like me trying to disprove Darwin by citing a medieval bestiary
Does Darwin account for a serpent hatching from a hen's egg?
Marxism is a way to view the world that has like 7 books written on it
The theory-reader has logged on.
I'm 6 months behind on my hammer rent
As a principled Marxist, all of my economic opinions derive from the Labor Theory of Value, hence if there were any valid criticisms of it, all my economic opinions would fall like dominoes.
They aren't even making valid criticisms of it
Like, if your employer lends you a hammer for free, shouldn't he be entilted to some of the profits that the hammer creates?
Who built the ~~cages~~ hammer?
Just a bunch of people who don't understand that socially necessary labor cost (production cost), market value, and use value are three different things and it's like the most rudimentary Marxist economics to distinguish them
Don't call yourself a true communist unless you've read all seven books that were ever written about communism
Well if they actually read the books, they probably wouldn't be Marxists because they'd be forced to encounter the (wrong) Labour Theory of Value. That's how I left the left!
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The true Marx understanders are some of my favorite replyguys
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