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[-] Snapz@lemmy.world 50 points 3 hours ago

iOS is literally designed for toddlers to be able to use it. "iPad kids" aren't especially gifted, "iPad adults" are especially stupid.

But on the bright side, those same groups think they "know computers" because they can press large, brightly colored buttons - so they walk around with unearned confidence in their abilities and impatience/lack of appreciation for the people that actually have to fix things.

It's also why a large swatch of these same fucking idiot, drains on humanity loudly challenge the validity of voting tech infrastructure without any factual basis to their argument - they just "feel" like they get it.

[-] JoeBigelow@lemmy.ca 26 points 2 hours ago

My boss very confidently proclaimed that all serious IT professionals use a Mac. Said Linux "is for programmers and nerds"

[-] NikkiDimes@lemmy.world 16 points 2 hours ago

So, programmers != IT professionals, huh...

[-] SquiffSquiff@lemmy.world 2 points 48 minutes ago

So what do they make of people like me who who use Linux on a Mac, with e.g. Colima or Rancher desktop - doing cloud/kubernetes/python development? I moved to a Mac a couple of years ago after 20 years of using Linux as my daily driver because frankly Bluetooth audio on Linux sucks and because I was tired of getting endless different video conference / screensharing solutions working at short notice for interviewing.

[-] StuffYouFear@lemmy.world 16 points 2 hours ago

I'm in IT, from my experience, most people who use Macs either use it for media, because it is easy to use for the common man, or it is the most expensive option.

[-] taladar@sh.itjust.works 5 points 1 hour ago

Also most people who use Macs need help from their Linux using coworkers to get anything moderately difficult done on their systems.

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[-] PriorityMotif@lemmy.world 84 points 4 hours ago

Kids don't even understand file structures because modern OSs obfuscate that stuff.

[-] MashedTech@lemmy.world 45 points 3 hours ago

That's my biggest gripe to be honest with modern OSs. My files in my folders are organized like I organize my house. I live in and around that. I hate the idea of a "Downloads" and other stuff with "automatically in the cloud backup for this app". Give me a file to save you stupid app.

[-] Bonesince1997@lemmy.world 11 points 3 hours ago
[-] atlas@sh.itjust.works 4 points 1 hour ago
[-] ameancow@lemmy.world 2 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 1 hour ago)

Kids? Try being a manager trying to hire for entry level data work.

I got maybe one out of five people who even knew how to do basic things like opening windows explorer and navigating through folders. And from that slim margin, finding someone who actually knows how to use software like excel or outlook or word, it makes me want to reword the listing to say that we need people with 5 five years experience. For entry level.

I have become that which we hate. I am demanding experience for entry level work, simply because the entry-level work pool has zero knowledge how things work. You have spent all your time browsing and none of your time challenging yourselves to install software yourself, to copy and move files, or tried even opening your "settings" panel to adjust things. When I started working a lifetime ago, I took some free lessons in learning how to navigate excel and other popular programs. Using that TINY bit of training, I went on to make formulas and automated several of the systems at my first job. I went from counting screws in the warehouse to an eventual VP position.

You can get much, much further ahead of the curve if you actually try to learn a little more about the things you use every day, and you will grow your opportunities more than you can imagine.

[-] RangerJosie@lemmy.world 4 points 46 minutes ago

Well I'm your man! Been using Windows since I stopped using DOS. I meet every requirement you've listed here for the job you've described and then some. And not one of your peers will give me a call back. Not one.

If nothing else, gimme some pointers about how to make it thru your ATS. If i can get human eyes I can get hired. Problem is getting that far.

[-] Corkyskog@sh.itjust.works 1 points 2 minutes ago

And pay is 39k.

[-] Croquette@sh.itjust.works 7 points 1 hour ago

"Get off my lawn kids. And god forbid we train people."

The common man won't go out of their way to learn a software they don't even know they will use. Why is it somehow worst for young people?

The personal computer as we grew up with is long gone, but somehow, companies and hiring managers expect everyone to be like it is still the case.

And let's be real, the vast majority of people don't know how to use excel even if they work with it every day. For them, it's a database with a UI and a chart module.

So yeah, ask for 5 years experience for an entry level data entry position, that'll fix it for you.

[-] taladar@sh.itjust.works 6 points 1 hour ago

As someone in the generation mentioned in the OP meme I can confirm, most people in my generation don't know how to use Excel either, didn't know it when we were younger and that is mostly because it is largely used in professional settings for a narrow range of jobs for its actual purpose and everyone else in a slightly wider range of jobs would be better off using a web app with an actual database.

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[-] i_stole_ur_taco@lemmy.ca 32 points 3 hours ago

I fix my parents’ computers. I fix the computers of the super old people in the neighborhood. I fix my kid’s computer. I fix my friends’ computers.

I don’t think it’s generational.

When your car breaks down, do you fix it? At what point do you take it to a mechanic?

At what point do you call an electrician or plumber? Who biopsies their own cysts?

It’s all the same shit. We live in a society of specialists because there’s simply too much potential knowledge for everyone to be able to do everything.

And if we start arguing about what things people “ought to be able to do themselves”, we turn into a bunch of old farts lamenting about the good old days.

[-] Snapz@lemmy.world 22 points 3 hours ago

"DIY" is a thing because many strive to understand enough of multiple relevant basic disciplines needed as an adult to be able to cover the first 15% or so of common jobs before they see their limitations and call the specialists.

I believe the expressed frustration here is around the fact that acquiring that first 15% type skill is no longer seen as a responsibility/point of pride for folks to gain as they grow.

[-] xorollo@leminal.space 10 points 2 hours ago

I fix my computers. I fix my car. I've done some electrical. No plumbing. And I recently biopsied a cyst that my doctor eyeballed and said was non cancerous and charged me $40 for nothing a year ago. It began annoying me a year later, and I'm stubborn and hate to go the doctor, and that guy was an ass. I'm ok with being called an old fart though. I'm also probably more optimistic about future generations. I don't think we're doomed, I remember being a collasal idiot, even as recently as last week, so I give other a little grace.

[-] criitz@reddthat.com 12 points 3 hours ago

It's like we just happened to grow up at the right time where everyone was raised to be a mechanic, and we wonder why our kids don't fix their own cars.

[-] taladar@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 hour ago

It is less that and more that we are tired of using baby talk to describe the computer equivalent of "the driver's side door" or "the steering wheel".

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[-] nicerdicer@feddit.org 17 points 3 hours ago

It seems that those aged roughly between 30 - 50 hit the sweet spot when it comes to computer literacy.

There is an interesting text about it, albeit it is 11 years old already: Kids can't use computers... and this is why it should worry you

[-] macrocarpa@lemmy.world 2 points 1 hour ago

Late Gen x and early gen y had an off-line childhood and digital adulthood. I think that explains a fair amount about computer literacy, because a lot of what they were exposed to is the base config so they had to learn their way up.

although I find that there are plenty of both that are absolutely clueless about tech

Another weird thing that changed in that generation was communication style. Sms and email bred their own language and abbreviations..

Other notables - digital wayfinding (online maps and Gps), music purchase and consumption, proliferation of social media, adoption of online persona, all changes that gen x / early y lived through.

[-] pyre@lemmy.world 8 points 3 hours ago

TL;DR? Why not just go watch another five second video of a kitten with its head in a toilet roll, or a 140 character description of a meal your friend just stuffed in their mouth. "nom nom". This blog post is not for you.

wow, this some next level obnoxious boomer shit.

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[-] paddirn@lemmy.world 23 points 4 hours ago

Not only that, but co-workers from my own generation also don’t know how to fix their own computers, so I’m just surrounded by people that have no idea how any of it works.

[-] ZoopZeZoop@lemmy.world 10 points 3 hours ago

I think that's the real crux of it. Most people don't know. There may have been a bump in literacy, but most people don't know, don't care, and don't need to. If we had better education, this kind of thing could be a core class. I had computer classes, but they mainly focused on typing and specific programs. Basically nothing about components, the command prompt, programming, different OS, etc. Granted this was many years ago, but I live in Florida. So, it's probably worse.

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[-] icosahedron@ttrpg.network 10 points 3 hours ago

gen z here, can confirm. most of my peers just do not care about learning how things actually work

[-] Zerthax@reddthat.com 2 points 1 hour ago

Millennial here. I've definitely noticed a shortage of people entering my technical field. Great for job security, and I'm treated very well at work. But this is going to be a problem down the road.

[-] mizuki@lemmy.blahaj.zone 16 points 4 hours ago

in my experience, younger kids either don't know anything about computers or are obsessed with them. I don't see a lot of the middle

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