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[-] gianni@lemmy.ca 216 points 10 months ago

I’m sharing this article because it changed my perception of Jordan Peterson, and exposed him as intellectually dishonest at best and more likely a fraud artist. Starting with essentially his dissertation. It is a long read but it is incredibly well researched and written:

https://www.currentaffairs.org/2018/03/the-intellectual-we-deserve

[-] DaTingGoBrrr@lemmy.ml 69 points 10 months ago

This video from Some More News really highlights all of Jordans bullshit. It's long as fuck but I enjoyed every minute of it

https://youtu.be/hSNWkRw53Jo?si=WIrG2o3Qa5iqJwEP

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[-] Staccato@lemmy.world 40 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

The article was a fun read, but for readers who don't have time, I believe Orwell's essay "Politics and the English Language" describes the same problem with marginally fewer words. My favorite excerpt, though, really nails exactly the BS your article mentioned:

Now that I have made this catalogue of swindles and perversions, let me give another example of the kind of writing that they lead to. This time it must of its nature be an imaginary one. I am going to translate a passage of good English into modern English of the worst sort. Here is a well-known verse from Ecclesiastes:

I returned and saw under the sun, that the race is not to the swift, nor the battle to the strong, neither yet bread to the wise, nor yet riches to men of understanding, nor yet favour to men of skill; but time and chance happeneth to them all.

Here it is in modern English:

Objective consideration of contemporary phenomena compels the conclusion that success or failure in competitive activities exhibits no tendency to be commensurate with innate capacity, but that a considerable element of the unpredictable must invariably be taken into account.

This is a parody, but not a very gross one.

Peterson's writings are worse than Orwell's own parodies.

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[-] Apollonius_Cone@lemmy.world 14 points 10 months ago

I was going to just call him a wanker.

[-] Rentlar@lemmy.ca 11 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

It's a good article. I'll admit that Jordan Peterson is a good psychologist and knows many words and stories, he can make many people feel smart or dumb through his incantations of nonsense. But that's it, all the rest of it is bunk.

His essays read like an anthology of writings someone made to finish a book report due tomorrow, after not sleeping for 3 days yet somehow feeling wide awake from the crazed panic.

Also see this screenshot on Firefox Mobile (Est. reading time 63 - 81min). Readers will be well-advised to skim over the copious amount of Jordan Peterson excerpts. Lol.

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[-] sndmn@lemmy.ca 107 points 10 months ago

I think it remains to be seen whether he's learned anything.

[-] n2burns@lemmy.ca 64 points 10 months ago

I'm not sure he's "learned" anything. Good article otherwise!

[-] Dienervent@kbin.social 46 points 10 months ago

Good article?

The comments that formed the basis of the complaints against Dr. Peterson included comments on a podcast in which he commented on air pollution and child deaths by saying “it’s just poor children…”

This quote is the most disgusting out of context character assassination I've seen in a long time.

I got suspicious because while Jordan does say things that women and/or trans people often find deplorable. I know that he's a strong supporter of the poor (at least in rhetoric) and as a family man I assume of children as well.

The full context can be found on Spotify. Episode #1769 of "The Joe Rogan Experience" start from about 15:30. He's the one that brings up how 7 million poor children die from indoor particulate pollution. Joe doesn't believe him and gets a fact check, which eventually leads to Jordan sarcastically saying "Well, it's just poor children, and the world has too many people on it anyway..."

It's such an insane mischaracterization of what he said, you can't take the article seriously. Probably would have to write off the entire website that article is from, honestly.

[-] Steeve@lemmy.ca 81 points 10 months ago

I think Jordon Peterson is a giant pile of shit, but you're being downvoted for calling out a shitty article for misrepresenting obvious sarcasm, and that's bullshit. Misinformation is misinformation regardless of whether or not it confirms our bias, if the Fediverse community doesn't want to learn this it has no business pointing at misinformation on other platforms like Reddit.

[-] Theharpyeagle@lemmy.world 17 points 10 months ago

How can we expect anyone to critically examine the media they consume if we fail to do the same when it suits us? Peterson is a flaming pile of pseudo-intellectual garbage, but there's plenty of ways to prove that without intentionally taking sound bites out of context.

That and body shaming people you don't like really aggravate me. Shit humans do shit things, attack that and leave the rest alone.

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[-] gianni@lemmy.ca 34 points 10 months ago

Please read this: https://www.currentaffairs.org/2018/03/the-intellectual-we-deserve

Not only does Jordan Peterson say dumb inflammatory shit, but he’s also apparently an intellectual fraud.

[-] nicktron@kbin.social 26 points 10 months ago

He’s a horrible piece of shit regardless of what that article says.

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[-] DessertStorms@kbin.social 12 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

he's a strong supporter of the poor (at least in rhetoric)

"Well, it's just poor children, and the world has too many people on it anyway..."

Never mind how laughable that first quote is, it is inherently incompatible with the second, since the entire Malthusian myth is based in classist eugenics

https://usfblogs.usfca.edu/sustainability/2023/04/20/overconsumption-not-overpopulation-debunking-the-overpopulation-myth-and-eco-fascism/

https://www.theworldmind.org/home/2021/12/10/the-dangerous-myth-of-overpopulation

https://www.globaljustice.org.uk/blog/2019/03/how-racist-myths-built-population-growth-bogey-man/

Imagine still jumping to the defence of this bigoted useless grifter... 🤦‍♀️😂

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[-] Ulrich_the_Old@lemmy.ca 52 points 10 months ago

If we all followed the teachings of jordan peterson we would be living in a world perfectly suited to jordan peterson. I would sooner live in a world which made jordan peterson suicidal.

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[-] bloopernova@programming.dev 32 points 10 months ago

What is it with those guys and insultingly weak legal arguments?

"I was off duty as a psychologist when I made public statements".

[-] decerian@lemmy.world 24 points 10 months ago

Off duty, but still fully willing to be introduced as a clinical psychologist at the start of the podcast, and to consistently refer to himself as a practicing clinical psychologist in these interviews.

He wants to have it both ways clearly

[-] PeleSpirit@lemmy.world 31 points 10 months ago

It's not because of his drug addiction, interesting. It's because he was being shitty towards poor and trans people. Glad to see he's being reprimanded for something.

[-] ArbitraryValue@sh.itjust.works 24 points 10 months ago

Nobody is forcing him to be a member of the profession – to paraphrase one of his tweets that was complained about “You’re free to leave [the profession] at any point.”

Jordan Peterson really is free to leave the profession - he doesn't need the money. Meanwhile a psychologist who isn't independently wealthy can't express controversial opinions without risking his livelihood. I don't think "only the rich can exercise freedom of speech" is good policy.

[-] mrbubblesort@kbin.social 24 points 10 months ago

Meanwhile a psychologist who isn’t independently wealthy can’t express controversial opinions without risking his livelihood

Oh fuck off with that. The opinion he expressed was, and I quote, (about child deaths) "it's just poor children, and the world has too many people on it anyways". A licensed medical professional should never say something like that, period, even in jest.

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[-] ttmrichter@lemmy.world 20 points 10 months ago

And again people don't grok what "freedom of speech" entails.

You can speak all you like. If what you say pisses people off, they can avoid you all they like, up to and including MOTHERFUCKING EMPLOYMENT.

Freeze Peach idiots need to grow the Hell up!

[-] ChonkyOwlbear@lemmy.world 12 points 10 months ago

People forget that free speech also includes freedom of association. You can say what you want but others have the freedom to choose not to associate with you because of it.

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[-] mycatiskai@lemmy.one 17 points 10 months ago

He isn't free to leave the profession because part of his con is that he is using his professional status when he writes something or says something as a psychologist.

His worth as a propagandist is that he can attach that professional status to his messages, if it's "disgraced" psychologist, or "struck off" psychologist then it has less impact because he has been found to have broken his professional conduct to the point where he lost the title.

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[-] fartsparkles@sh.itjust.works 23 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

…being subject to a code of ethics or having to be more responsible and thoughtful in how one expresses oneself in public forums is part of the package one accepts in exchange for the privilege and benefits that come with being a licensed professional”.

Indeed. If Mr Peterson wants to present as a practitioner of a regulated profession, they have to follow the rules. They are not owed a right to practice, they are given a privilege to practice.

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