I talked to a guy who had a master's degree in philosophy. He told me he worked for an investment firm.

Me: What do you do there, convince investment bankers not to kill themselves?

Him: Yeah, pretty much.

Me: 😳

A philosophy degree might actually stand out more in today's job market than a CS one.

I'm not kidding I studied philosophy and now genuinely work in a factory as a mechanic. I've made it big according to this.

Looking down on manufacturing jobs is so cool.

ironically philosophy majors perform better on graduate school entrance exams like the LSAT and GREs than most other majors, and philosophy graduates tend to be more successful and be better earners than other majors, notably than business major graduates

arugably, philosophy is one of the better majors in terms of outcomes

https://philosophy.unc.edu/undergraduate/the-major/why-major-in-philosophy/

Learned CS/Coding at school, ended up with a factory job in manufacturing.

The meme is right, it is a pretty balling existence all things considered

my boss got mad when trying to use the "Socratic method" on a project that I was contradicting them and questioning their every statement

?!?!?!!?

Going to college purely for a career is a hell of a gamble and the most likely positive outcomes are in fields where everyone fucking hates you (business majors, etc).

Go to improve yourself. Learn all you are interested in. Experience new things. For most jobs, nobody cares what your major is anyway. They care that you can focus on a long term goal and achieve it and a college degree demonstrates that.

This is a funny meme but biotechnology manufacturing is big worldwide and needs STEM degrees for entry level

I went to college and got a diploma, not a degree. That was because I knew where I wanted to be in the world. I was going to be a sysadmin/network admin/IT support. That was where I was going.

At the time, the available courses for system administrators that resulted in a degree didn't fucking exist. A big fuck all for degree programs. So I got a diploma, and went on my merry way.

I looked at available degree programs last year and there's still pretty much sweet fuck all for degree programs for IT support workers, with a few exceptions. A handful of colleges in my country now have some degree programs, and a couple have created one for system/network administrators. They're massively rare, and the only course plans are for full time class loads. You want to take the degree course, but you have to work? Get fucked. You're not getting anything.

I actually (foolishly) emailed some of the colleges asking if they would offer enough of the credits in remote learning courses that I could feasibly, eventually, get a degree. If someone could laugh over email, I'm pretty sure that they would have. Needless to say, the answer is a big fuck you.

Yet... I have well over a decade of real world experience and a lot of places are putting up job postings for sysadmin jobs asking for degrees plus years of experience.

So, essentially, they want me to go get a degree, probably in computer Science, which, by the way, isn't really computer Science. There's really no Science to it and the only relation to a computer is that you're doing programming. CS majors cannot do my job. They would be so bad at it, that I would laugh, then cry, knowing I probably have to fix all the fuckups that were just made.

So, they want to hire someone who can't do the work because they want and need a degree for a job that doesn't have a degree that actually teaches you the correct skillset.

The entire fucking job market is completely fucked. Unless you do development, GFL wading through all the asinine postings to find one that is reasonable enough to recognize that CS majors are not the people you want working in system admin positions.

The worst part is that businesses can't see what they're doing wrong. C-levels, owners and managers, have no fucking clue what I do, nor how I do any of it. Unless it's a company large enough to have a CIO that's got a lick of fucking sense, the job posting is going to be utter horse shit for the crap that they'll expect from you.

"Enjoys a fast paced environment" - you're going to be over worked.

"Works well independently" - because you're always going to be working alone, since they won't hire anyone else to work the job.

"Requires knowledge of: Windows server, VMware, networking, Wan/LAN, VPN, desktop, printers... " You're the only one working IT and you need to do it all.

"Enjoys a challenge" - nothing is under warranty, so every vendor will tell you to fuck off anytime you are in over your head and call in for support.

I've seen this shit so much over the past decade+ that's it's all shit. I don't even fucking read job postings half the time, if it has a salary to it that looks good to me, I check if it's "hybrid" (aka, in-office, but you can work from home, with managers approval that you'll never get), in-office, or remote. If it's anything other than remote, I'm probably moving on. If it passes those first two checks, I skim the requirements for "you should know" shit to determine if I'm working on a team, if they're actually looking for an IT person, or is this posting, just a poorly worded website design or coding job.... And if I don't see anything too stupid on the list I just throw them my resume.

Look, I've done this job long enough that I know my shit, I know I know my shit, and I couldn't give a fuck less if you call me or not. If you don't see my potential, your loss. I don't want to work for someone who is too blind to see that experience > everything, and that what I put on my resume isn't who I am. I couldn't possibly cram enough info into a CV to accurately convey the sheer amount of shit I've dealt with. Not even fucking close.... And if you need someone with at least 5 years experience with ERP-xyz-Max 2010, and won't even consider anyone who hasn't used that software, well, you're too dumb to be helped. Do you have any idea how much specialized software is out there? Give me a fucking break. My expertise isn't in one specific software, though I have a lot of knowledge of some of the more common ones... My expertise is decoding the shit pile that the publisher calls "documentation" to actually support the program well enough to keep it running. I RTFM so you don't have to.

There, I said it.

Philosophy major now running an IT department at a major university checking in

If I can contribute anything: don't do a Ph.D. just because you're not sure exactly what you want to do.

It may work out in the long run (thankfully it did eventually for me), but a M.Sc. is much shorter, and you may be more employable with one vs. a Ph.D.

Although do what you feel, maybe just think of this comment if you're questioning.

(Also sorry, my experience is only in science)

why study when you can become a manosphere grifter for free?