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[–] Owl@hexbear.net 41 points 4 weeks ago (2 children)

Captain America stands for all the good things from US propaganda, fine, but he also stands for the idea that the US is actually unique in wanting those things, the closest to achieving them, a flawed but ultimately good nation, which is a load of horse shit. A Captain America who actually fights for a nation where every man, woman, and child is equal is a Captain America who promptly gets killed by his country.

[–] FlakesBongler@hexbear.net 38 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

There's a comic where Captain America doesn't get frozen after WWII and they send him to fight in more wars

He eventually joins the Vietcong

I would think he would probably have joined up to fight for the DPRK, but Vietnam is the war we're culturally capable of admitting we're wrong about

[–] LeninWeave@hexbear.net 6 points 4 weeks ago

he would probably have joined up to fight for the DPRK

[–] SevenSkalls@hexbear.net 15 points 4 weeks ago (2 children)

The guy who plays the current Captain America said something like that in an interview once, like he's now grown as a hero who encompasses more than just America, basically implying that he would fight for more than just America, and the principles he stands for are represented and valued by more than just America, and he got dog-piled by criticism. US American chuds don't want to hear it lol.

[–] LaGG_3@hexbear.net 11 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

he got dog-piled by criticism

If it was Anthony Mackie, I'm guessing it's also us-foreign-policy

[–] SevenSkalls@hexbear.net 3 points 3 weeks ago

It was, and you're almost certainly correct lol

[–] Alaskaball@hexbear.net 11 points 4 weeks ago

Captain Soviet Union

[–] JoeByeThen@hexbear.net 40 points 4 weeks ago (5 children)

That's why the "some of the founding fathers actually wanted to end slavery" rhetoric always gets me, they were clearly just as bloodthirsty and hateful as zionists and any examples otherwise were likely just pandering bullshit.

[–] LeninWeave@hexbear.net 41 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

"some of the founding fathers actually wanted to end slavery"

doug-point-cry "I swear dude, some of the slave owners who got together with their slave owning allies to make a country full of slaves for other slave owners really wanted to end slavery."

[–] hotcouchguy@hexbear.net 23 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

Also, I guess "some" wasn't that many, since they obviously didn't do that.

[–] Sphere@hexbear.net 12 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

In at least some fairness, many of them thought slavery was an ultimately doomed institution. And they might even have been right, at the time.

Then Eli Whitney invented the cotton gin in 1793.

[–] ClimateStalin@hexbear.net 3 points 4 weeks ago

Eli Whitney inventing the cotton gin like “Wow this machine is so efficient this will surely be the final nail in the coffin of the horrific institution of slavery!”

[–] PKMKII@hexbear.net 17 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

The problem is that the Amerikkkan narrative requires seeing the “Founding Fathers” as a singular building block of the country rather than as individuals, so we get these broken logics of “if we find some good in one of them then it applies to the whole.” It’s sort of a mirror version of the logic behind the “constitutional originalism” law argument.

[–] JoeByeThen@hexbear.net 5 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago) (1 children)

Oh, I'd say it's much worse than that. I guarantee a significant chunk of grown-ass USian adults still believe stuff like George Washington never told a lie. You'd be hard pressed to find a USian that knows actual US history vs the cradle to grave mythological slop that's poured down their throats.

[–] PKMKII@hexbear.net 4 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

George Washington cut down that cherry tree and Henry Ford invented the automobile.

[–] JoeByeThen@hexbear.net 2 points 4 weeks ago
[–] BeanisBrain@hexbear.net 8 points 4 weeks ago

"some of the founding fathers actually wanted to end slavery"

Woulda, coulda, shoulda.

[–] Belly_Beanis@hexbear.net 7 points 4 weeks ago

Slavery wasn't even a deal breaker....they went for the 3/5ths Compromise.

[–] Crucible@hexbear.net 5 points 4 weeks ago

We want to end this institution so badly we're going to include in our foundational document that you can't even talk about abolition til 1800

[–] hotcouchguy@hexbear.net 35 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

He's not wrong if by "the dream" he means "whatever narrative is used to motivate the masses". The US's genocide is distant enough that they can pretend to have higher ideals, and people like Peeto will sometimes believe it. That's simply not feasible while the genocide is ongoing.

[–] LeninWeave@hexbear.net 24 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

That's simply not feasible while the genocide is ongoing.

Evidence from looking at anything "Israeli" "liberals" say sadly indicates otherwise. "The dream" is alive in the minds of the delusional.

[–] hotcouchguy@hexbear.net 11 points 4 weeks ago (3 children)

Do you see much of that? As far as I can tell there are only about a dozen "Israeli" "liberals" remaining, and their liberalism is like "keep doing genocide but in a way that doesn't look so bad. And also allow gay marriage".

Far from an expert but that's my impression

[–] LeninWeave@hexbear.net 18 points 4 weeks ago

It's more than a dozen, but your impression is mostly correct. "Israeli" "liberalism" is a dying ideology. They're a shrinking minority, steadily turning into open fascists as far as I can tell. They'll continue to exist for a while yet, though, because the idea of an "Israeli dream" is important to "Israel's" propaganda and self-image.

[–] TrustedFeline@hexbear.net 10 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago)

As far as I can tell there are only about a dozen "Israeli" "liberals" remaining,

There's still tons of Israeli liberals, but only a few leftists

[–] SevenSkalls@hexbear.net 6 points 4 weeks ago

And that dozen is all politicians high up in the Democratic party for some reason lol

[–] FlakesBongler@hexbear.net 31 points 4 weeks ago

The best Captain America comics are the ones where he renounces being an American

The 2nd best are when he became a werewolf

[–] Ram_The_Manparts@hexbear.net 25 points 4 weeks ago

American exceptionalism is one hell of a drug

[–] LeninWeave@hexbear.net 25 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago) (1 children)
[–] thelastaxolotl@hexbear.net 37 points 4 weeks ago (3 children)

im leaving Hexbear nerds, i have been revealed as a bigot

[–] LeninWeave@hexbear.net 42 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago)

This is anti-American, dude.

waow-based

[–] miz@hexbear.net 28 points 4 weeks ago

This is anti-American, dude.

good, motherfucker! that means it is probably true

[–] lil_tank@hexbear.net 9 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago)
[–] TankieTanuki@hexbear.net 21 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago)

"The American Dream" was a PR campaign created by Edward Bernays in the 20th century to promote consumerism

[–] Awoo@hexbear.net 19 points 4 weeks ago

"Their nationalism is bad but MY nationalism is good."

[–] moss_icon@hexbear.net 17 points 4 weeks ago

How far can you even bury your head in the sand. America was literally built on the genocide of its indigenous populations.

[–] GalaxyBrain@hexbear.net 11 points 4 weeks ago

At least they're against genocide

[–] ComRed@hexbear.net 7 points 4 weeks ago
[–] deforestgump@hexbear.net 5 points 4 weeks ago (2 children)

Fuck Captain American. Superman is the true anti-fascist.

[–] Keld@hexbear.net 6 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

The "Truth, justice and the American way" guy?

[–] deforestgump@hexbear.net 2 points 4 weeks ago

Most comic books of that era were propaganda. So yeah, in the same sense that the Allied forces were anti-fascist.

[–] Assian_Candor@hexbear.net 4 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago)

SMH they forgot comrade flag smasher

Edit: he's a liberal negative

[–] Keld@hexbear.net 3 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

I am not going to sing the praises of the US, but I think its true that the Untied SSnaKKMeSS of Imperialism does at least have principles to which it can pretend. The US state has never actually cared about those principles, but they exist in the sense that they can be used a propaganda tools and they are written on stuff.

Israel doesn't even have that. It was always a naked grab for power and land.

[–] LeninWeave@hexbear.net 8 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago) (1 children)

but they exist in the sense that they can be used a propaganda tools and they are written on stuff.

Israel doesn't even have that. It was always a naked grab for power and land.

This isn't true, "Israel" did the same thing. "We made the desert bloom" is not different from "we tamed the wilderness". It's just that the mask slips when you're actively and obviously doing genocide.

[–] Keld@hexbear.net 1 points 4 weeks ago

I don't mean that they don't have a narrative of success. I mean that they don't have anything like the concept of "All men are created equal".