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[–] Daryl@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 day ago

Actually, what Carney aid was 'Time for the rest of the world to start making the rules, not America.'

[–] skozzii@lemmy.ca 102 points 5 days ago (5 children)

Thank God Pierre Pollivre wasn't elected or this would be a much different story.

[–] Lemmyoutofhere@lemmy.ca 55 points 5 days ago

We would already be the 51st state.

[–] orbitz@lemmy.ca 24 points 5 days ago (3 children)

He'd bend over and ask for Canada to take more. Nothing I've read from him sounds like a proper leader of this country. He's as whiny as a toddler like the neighbor's 'leader'. Calling that thing a leader is laughable, he couldn't lead a train on the track unless there was a pile of gold in sight.

[–] BC_viper@lemmy.world 12 points 5 days ago (1 children)

He lost so bad he got a pity seat and is causing his party to collapse

[–] panda_abyss@lemmy.ca 11 points 5 days ago (2 children)

The pity seat isn't good enough for him, they're going to run him in another seat.

I don't know if that means he simply hates it there, or the party plans on dumping him and returning that seat to a party faithful.

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[–] panda_abyss@lemmy.ca 17 points 5 days ago

At some point during the speech this popped in my head:

I just cannot imagine the world of shit we'd be living in if he had won the election. Even since, he's contributed absolutely nothing to the political discourse in this country. And he's changing seats, again.

(And I know Draper is an asshole, I just mean the whole vibe is what came to mind. I don't think I've heard Carney even mention Polievre since letting him have a seat with the by-election).

[–] Track_Shovel@slrpnk.net 15 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (6 children)

PP at the world economic forum:

GLUCK GLUCK GLUCK GAH... We need to support our allies in seizing Greenland GLUCK GLUCK GLUCK

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[–] theacharnian@lemmy.ca 76 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (15 children)

This was a historic speech and I sincerely hope the European leaders get the message. It was also very surprising to hear him lay bare the problem with the old world order and talking about a new one that would live up to its ideals. There is more to Carney than I thought.

I still oppose many of his domestic policies that I consider too right wing. But that's what a democracy is about.

[–] HellsBelle@sh.itjust.works 20 points 4 days ago (2 children)

Listening to him again reminded me of '08 when he helped lead us out of the Wall St shit storm. It's the main reason I voted for him too. He tells the truth - no sugar coating, no dumb cliches, no lies to make you feel better.

I'm not happy with everything he's done (see Bill C-2) but when things get rough he lays the cards on the table and says it like it is.

Bill C-2 isn't law yet. It needs to be crushed to dust and never considered again. In fact most post-2000s terrorism legislation needs to be repealed. It has never protected anyone but simply made dissent harder and less effective.

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[–] shawn1122@sh.itjust.works 11 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

Pretty uniquely honest for a Western leader to recognize the double standards within that old order which was designed to maintain Western hegemony at the expense of the Global South.

[–] OliveMoon@lemmy.ca 16 points 4 days ago (1 children)

I watched the whole speech. I am so proud to be Canadian!! I love that we have an educated, worldly, Prime Minister. He’s fucking amazing!

[–] Alloi@lemmy.world 25 points 4 days ago (1 children)

hes obviously the best option we can realistically hope for in our current social/political structure. HOWEVER. hes a politician, and a very wealthy banker. so dont miss the mountain for the trees here.

quietly pushing digital ID, AI, increased surveillance, decreased personal privacy, subverting charter rights and constitutional rights, giving our information without warrant to the police, our government, and the united states government and corporations, using tax payer funding to pay for private interest projects that directly undermine green energy and expand american, and other foreign financial interest in our countries resources. removing canadians ability to defend themselves against an apparantly imminent foreign invasion by reducing firearm availability and punishing legal gun owners as a result of an issue directly correlated to illegal firearms imported from the united states. all the while increasing police funding and military funding which also directly puts tax payer money into the pockets of military contractors, foreign and domestic. limiting the ability to defend our sovereignity to government employees rather than average citizens.

he gives a great speech, he is much better than pierre poilievre, however, he does not represent 99% of canadians, he represents the rich, industry, and established/emerging monopolies above all else. the new world order he speaks of is one where we will continue to struggle financially as workers so that corporations and the elite can maintain stable control over a productive yet exhausted population. snowballing the concentration of wealth and power to the elite, and new emerging elite class. while reducing ownership for consumers in virtually every single sector you can imagine. fuelling our economy with an indebted population.

the new boot on our heads is just a bit more polished and expensive, but it is still a boot on our heads. and its going to be a bit heavier than it was before. but with the right marketing, we will always beg for more, thinking its for our own good.

so unless you are already quite well off, dont expect a grand shift in your fortunes and affordability. not just because of him, or trump, or a new economic model, but the class that they both represent. the elites are shifting the board, and the people, as always, will bear the brunt of it all. while they make off like faceless bandits, and we infight against one another, fearful of immigrants, foreign powers, differing ideologies, and general security.

politicians are merely puppets, scape goats, hitmen, and sin eaters for the wealthy and poor alike. hired to take the guilt, shame, glory, and responsibility of our wanted desires so that we do not have to. when it goes good or bad we claim proudly or sheepishly who we voted for, and blame each other for the outcomes, regardless of how good or bad they may actually be, instead of directly addressing the faceless manipulators who guided and uplifted every single head of state in the modern world, for their benefit.

that is the beauty of being an elite, all the riches and glory, and no repercussions. the social backlash is for the political lackies.

when any head of state speaks, pretend they are only speaking to the wealthy. because they are.

"its a big club, and you aint in it"

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[–] streetfestival@lemmy.ca 80 points 5 days ago (3 children)

It was nice to read the speech. I approve of Carney's message. Here were some lines I found humorous:

Nostalgia is not a strategy
If we’re not at the table, we’re on the menu
We are no longer relying on just the strength of our values but also the value of our strength

[–] Kichae@lemmy.ca 82 points 5 days ago (2 children)

I wish he was less of a, you know, investor capitalist, but his take on international relations is a wonder to behold. This speech basically boiled down to his election speeches, calling out the US, and telling the world that the Big Fish are nobody's friend, and that the rest of us need to partner up and stop competing with each other to simp for the Americans.

He basically declared that the American Empire is over, and we're done acting as a vassal state.

Fucking wild. I never thought I'd live to see the day.

[–] buffaloseven@piefed.ca 34 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Rather poetic less than 24 hours after Trump paraded out a map with American flags over Canada, Greenland, and Venezuela.

[–] HellsBelle@sh.itjust.works 11 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Don't worry. Trump is speaking in Davos tomorrow.

Oh happy days. 🙄

[–] buffaloseven@piefed.ca 6 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Well, he called Greenland "Iceland" 4 times in a meandering, somewhat incoherent ramble of a speech.

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[–] AGM@lemmy.ca 62 points 5 days ago (2 children)

This was a profound speech. There was a lot to it. Declaring the death of the liberal international order with less than shining obit being one example. That was a very powerful statement. More than that though, he has been gradually laying down pieces of a framework for working back towards a world order we might want to see. Can we do it without the US smashing it all up first? Very uncertain. Still, can't fault Carney for taking the position he has. He's supposed to be a leader, it's a time when leadership is desperately needed, and he is stepping up as a leader.

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[–] Rentlar@lemmy.ca 45 points 5 days ago (5 children)

I know that many here and myself included, don't appreciate his anti-worker example of the "Workers of the World Unite" being used as the lie of a corrupt regime...

However, this was a profound speech, and I would say one of Carney's best since his election as Prime Minister. A great leader recognizes their own leadership and government's faults to try and find the best way forward.

[–] Kichae@lemmy.ca 26 points 5 days ago (1 children)

It wasn't an example of a corrupt regime, though, but of a failed one. The soviet union failed to live up to the promise of workers uniting for collective ownership, and it was failing as a dictatorship. The sign in the window here is not pretending a corrupt regime wasn't corrupt, but that a crumbling regime wasn't crumbling.

The current world order has been crumbling for some time. No one on the world has been willing to say so. He turned around and said "let it".

[–] floofloof@lemmy.ca 1 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Yes, reading it charitably, the lie in the sign was the pretence that the government truly fought for the workers rather than looking after themselves.

[–] asg101@lemmy.ca 14 points 5 days ago (1 children)

I know that many here and myself included, don’t appreciate his anti-worker example of the “Workers of the World Unite” being used as the lie of a corrupt regime…

That was my first thought, why the fuck did he have to dismiss and disparage workers from the very start of his speech? Then I remembered, he is a banker, he serves the bankers, and bankers have no use for workers except to bleed them dry.

It is encouraging that he recognizes SOME of the failures of the current system, but he ignored the rise of fascism world-wide, and still thinks everything will be fine if we just have more militarism and capitalism.

[–] floofloof@lemmy.ca 1 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Reading it charitably, I think the point was that they stuck to the slogan (a perfectly noble one) as an expression of support for the government, long after it had become clear to everyone that the government wasn't serving the workers any more, if it ever truly had been. Similarly, the rules-based international order is a noble idea that everyone still voices commitment to, though everyone has known for a while that it has nothing to do with what the imperial USA and its vassal states really do.

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[–] malle_yeno@pawb.social 32 points 5 days ago

Wow, I can't believe I'm about to say that I like what this banker just said.

But uhh, I think I like what this banker just said.

This is exactly what I like to hear. The oligarchs that have made a mockery of my country's democracy need to be put in their place. They've been parasites to our nation for far too long.

[–] Quilotoa@lemmy.ca 32 points 5 days ago

I especially like his emphasis on truth, not an angry shouting of truth, but a refusal to be silent about the falsehoods. Take the signs out of the windows.

[–] GodofLies@lemmy.ca 23 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (1 children)

If you've only read the headlines and not read the actual speech , you're missing out on a lot of important details.

Edit: Updated link

[–] umbrella@lemmy.ml 3 points 3 days ago

never did. unless you were western all this time.

[–] hateisreality@lemmy.world 9 points 4 days ago (2 children)

So then the rules should no longer protect them either

[–] definitemaybe@lemmy.ca 5 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

Ummm... Yeah? That was the point?

Did you read or listen to the speech to know who the "them" in this context is about, though?

It's us. Canada. Medium powers.

Listen to the speech; it's one for the history books. Carney hit the nail on the head.

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[–] Thedogdrinkscoffee@lemmy.ca 17 points 5 days ago

The man for the times.

[–] Soup@lemmy.world 6 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Carney, and the Liberals and centrists in general, constantly resist real change. He acts more like a conservative than anything, and even very recently tried to screw over the Air Canada attendants when they tried to fight for fair pay. He’s selling off our resources to private companies and laying off government workers during a time where those people will seriously struggle to find new work.

The speech was decent, I guess, but coming from Carney it’s just a bad joke. Like Trudeau kneeling with the BLM protesters, he’s demanding better behaviour from world leaders while being a world leader who can’t behave himself. Pretty, empty words from a weak man.

We should listen and form a new world order, and we should make sure that he doesn’t get to pretend like he was on the right side of history.

[–] ArmchairAce1944@discuss.online 9 points 4 days ago (2 children)

Carney is very conservative. He was well liked by Harper and is to the right of Trudeau. We really need actual leftists and not bankers leading the way and I regret voting for him and not voting NDP or to a communist party (even if they had no chance of winning).

[–] Soup@lemmy.world 10 points 4 days ago (1 children)

If everyone who voted for the party that aligned with their views I think they’d be pretty surprised at who really had “no chance of winning”. The Liberals didn’t throw voting reform in the garbage for nothing.

[–] ArmchairAce1944@lemmy.ca 6 points 4 days ago (3 children)

I voted for Carney because I dreaded PP. I didn't realize the extent of how much he would be talking out of both sides of his mouth. On one hand acting like it is all over, but on the other hand doing everything he can to appease the US and passing online and 'strong borders' act that effectively destroy privacy online for Canadians AND share or straight up hand that information over to the US authorities just like that.

[–] SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca 5 points 3 days ago (1 children)

No one voted for Carney. They all voted against Milhouse. Except Alberta.

[–] ArmchairAce1944@lemmy.ca 2 points 3 days ago

I agree with that.

[–] Soup@lemmy.world 5 points 4 days ago

I’m just amazed that you were surprised. That’s how the Liberals have always been, constantly trying to play it safe except that safe has just meant doing the things that don’t piss off rich corporations or the US too much because they’re afraid of standing up for us.

Ten years ago they ran on voting reform and then, when a committee made up of people from every party said that they needed to ditch FPTP they said it was “too difficult” and then never spoke about it again because that same committee also showed them that they would lose a lot of ground if people got to actually choose what they wanted. Doing that they openly stated that they don’t give a single flying fuck about democracy and we STILL consider them a serious party? Yea, fuck that noise.

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[–] F4rtEmp3r0r@lemmy.ca 13 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

"Welcome to the club"

  • the global south
[–] grte@lemmy.ca 14 points 5 days ago

Not a fan of this guy's domestic policy but at least he's pragmatic enough to see the writing on the wall.

[–] Megaman_EXE@beehaw.org 12 points 5 days ago (1 children)

I think he's saying nice words, but I'll believe them when I see actions. I should preface this with, I understand running a country is like sailing a massive ship. It takes time to correct course. Additionally, it would be great if they worked with the NDP and seemed like they cared more lol.

Canada keeps tip toeing around the whole Palestinian genocide. I assume because it's largely american backed, but if what he says is true, then I would like to see them speak up more. They talk about Greenland and Ukraine but it would be nice for them to...be equal.

Additionally in terms of the economy, we might be largely well educated but many of the people I know have degrees, diplomas and even masters and have had a hell of a time finding worthwhile work (if any) for the past 6 years. Some have had better luck than others, but like...damn it doesn't seem like we're prospering here. Cost of living has skyrocketed. My outlook for the future isn't looking great. I largely have no idea if I'll be living comfortably in a decade or be worse off. It's difficult if not impossible to plan for a future.

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