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Premier Doug Ford had choice words for students expressing concerns over recent cuts to the Ontario Student Assistance Program (OSAP) Tuesday, telling them to "not pick basket-weaving courses" and to invest in education that gives people in-demand jobs.

Speaking to reporters at Queen's Park, Ford said he received "thousands of calls" from students over the long weekend, who expressed concerns about the province cutting the amount of grant money students can receive through OSAP.

“I mentioned to the students, you have to invest in your future, into in-demand jobs,” he said.

“You’re picking basket-weaving courses, and there’s not too many baskets being sold out there.”

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[–] Washedupcynic@lemmy.ca 21 points 23 hours ago* (last edited 23 hours ago) (5 children)

As a late gen x/early millenial, I was told to get a college degree in STEM. I did that, and got an MS and PhD. I finished my doctorate in 2008 just in time for the housing market to crash and forced austerity via republican wars and george bush. I spent 3 years in a postdoctoral fellowship, effectively making $10 hourly based on hours I worked VS salary. After my fellowship, in 2011, I could NOT find a job in my field, because there were no jobs. I gave up and leveraged my education into a different field.

I ended up working for the state, in a position that has nothing to do with my education, and only requires a high school diploma. I make $30 an hour now. 13 years after I finished my fellowship and gave up, I started having STEM companies cold calling me to offer me positions because they saved my resume. Best part was being offered $30 hourly, which is what I already make in a position that doesn't require post secondary education. Telling them not to bother me unless they were prepared to offer me $60 hourly felt fucking amazing.

The point to my rambling is that whatever is "in demand" could change at a moments notice for any reason. If you're going to spend 4-10 years of your life learning a particular skill set in a particular field of study, you should at least enjoy yourself and feel enthusiastic about what you are studying.

I'm not a Canadian, but if I came across Doug Ford slowly dying on the street, I'd step the fuck over his body and keep walking.

[–] uhmbah@lemmy.ca 5 points 18 hours ago

but if I came across Doug Ford slowly dying on the street, I'd step the fuck over his body and keep walking.

+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1

[–] captain_aggravated@sh.itjust.works 3 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

As a mid-millennial I was told to get a college degree in STEM, I almost did that, I was set to graduate with a BS in Aeronautical Science in 2009, left college in 2008 because of the financial crisis, finished flight school and became a flight instructor, I've never made more than $30 an hour, I am now an advocate for violence.

[–] Washedupcynic@lemmy.ca 2 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

Same. I fantasize about dark shit on a daily basis.

[–] captain_aggravated@sh.itjust.works 3 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

I was having trouble sleeping the night before last so I ended up fantasizing about rubbing a lamp and being given three wishes by a genie with Aladdin rules, "Rule #1, I can't kill anybody, BLEEGH! ~so don't ask~" so I wished for a microphone that addressed everyone in the world, that everyone regardless of the language they spoke would understand what I meant, and be magically compelled to obey any instructions I gave.

"Authoritarian dictators, kill yourselves. Child molesters, kill yourselves. Wealth hoarding billionaires, kill your families then kill yourselves." I got about as far as "Anyone who works with nuclear weapons, dismantle them and destroy all documentation." before I fell asleep.

[–] olbaidiablo@lemmy.ca 3 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

I was told to take coding. Anyone know how in demand that is these days?

[–] Washedupcynic@lemmy.ca 0 points 19 hours ago
[–] captainlezbian@lemmy.world 3 points 22 hours ago

Exactly, and the in demand job of today is often the job with high competition and less work when you're done training for it because a lot of people want an in demand career

[–] GuyIncognito@lemmy.ca 2 points 21 hours ago

You'd be better off stepping around, he's very fat

[–] theacharnian@lemmy.ca 14 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

Get rid of OSAP altogether. Make university free and fully taxpayer funded and introduce negative income tax for students.

If AI is going to be arbitrarily deleting a bunch of fields, the concept of "in-demand jobs" is pointless. "Basket weaving" type classes might sound silly to stupid conservatives today but might be exactly what makes an AI-based economy tick in a couple of years (eg., a linguistics and philosophy degree might be exactly what you need if you need to be able to effectively set up and debug an AI agent).

Not to mention of course that the point of a university education is not "jobs", it is to have an educated citizenry that is the bedrock of any kind of democracy. Conservatives have never understood the point of education in the first place. Fuck 'em.

[–] chonglibloodsport@lemmy.world 1 points 16 hours ago

Get rid of OSAP altogether. Make university free and fully taxpayer funded and introduce negative income tax for students.

Unless you’re talking about “free for domestic students, even more exorbitant for international students” then your idea would never fly. Free tuition for the children of wealthy foreigners paid for by taxpayers? You’d be lucky to survive your first term in office after passing that.

Ontario domestic students’ higher education is heavily subsidized by international students paying ultra high tuition right now. If you took away that source of funding and had taxpayers pay the full brunt (even just for domestic tuition) you’d have a revolt and would be routed in the next election, with a conservative who would totally dismantle the system.

[–] SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca 2 points 22 hours ago

Make university free and fully taxpayer funded and introduce negative income tax for students

You know who promoted this idea for years? Bob Fucking Rae.

Then he was elected Premiere.

Then he was elected to federal politics.

[–] ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca 6 points 1 day ago

If we get rid of all the basket weavers then where will we get baskets?

Oh right, from outside Ontario because Ford only acts in the interests of others.

[–] avidamoeba@lemmy.ca 36 points 1 day ago (2 children)

What are those in-demand jobs Doug? Software eng was in-demand a few years ago when a shit ton of people went into CS for it. How's that going now? If you're not making any job guarantees, putting more of the burden of market failures on students is not the recipe for economic development you think it is.

[–] SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca 7 points 1 day ago

Big demand for hash dealers, just have to know fractions.

[–] maplesaga@lemmy.world 7 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

He needed low skill labor and pushed for mass immigration to depress salaries. For a shortage caused by transitory inflation, that we all knew would subside with higher interest rates.

Canadians are cattle in our governments eyes.

[–] Pxtl@lemmy.ca 31 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Hey, can't I just get a job the same way that Doug Ford did? BTW, what undergrad degree did he get?

[–] SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca 4 points 1 day ago

PhD in Nepotism and corruption. A few electives in italian-Canadian popular sex acts.

[–] HellsBelle@sh.itjust.works 11 points 1 day ago

A college diploma on "How to Become a Drug Dealer"?

[–] Skyrmir@lemmy.world 14 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I was told by a Lockheed recruiter to get a degree in basket weaving. They didn't care what the degree was, it was just a requirement for the job I was already over qualified for.

[–] ZombieCyborgFromOuterSpace@piefed.ca 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Meh. Why would you even work for a company like Lockheed?

[–] Skyrmir@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

At the time it was great pay and a good entry into a career path at a facility that is still active today. No regerts though, I speed ran the career through contract work and moved to a different area.

[–] ZombieCyborgFromOuterSpace@piefed.ca 3 points 22 hours ago (1 children)

No but it's Lockheed. It's an American company for one.  And they do weapons, equipment and tools used to kill people.

[–] Skyrmir@lemmy.world 3 points 22 hours ago

That wasn't a problem for me at the time. It was part of the reason for my lack of a degree.

[–] HellsBelle@sh.itjust.works 21 points 1 day ago

Druggie just wants to pump out more cogs for his rich buddies' machines.

Fuck Doug Ford.

[–] ElectricAirship@lemmy.dbzer0.com 18 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I've seen enough people start to resent life bc they tried to shoe-horn themselves into a degree field they couldn't understand and hated. College isn't meant for that.

[–] FireRetardant@lemmy.world 15 points 1 day ago (2 children)

I think pushing kids straight outta high school into college is a mistake. Some may be ready for it but many would benefit from experiencing the world a bit, putting some money behind them, maturing at little bit.

I took college in my mid 20s and by then i was able to balance a social life and school life very well. Had I gone earlier I may have either burnt out or been distracted by parties and more social aspects of college.

[–] SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca 3 points 22 hours ago

Getting rid of grade 13 was a huge mistake. My kids are all taking gap years but getting a simple job for a year is not an option any more.

[–] Lemmyoutofhere@lemmy.ca 8 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Agree completely. Wasted university because the party life hit hard.

[–] SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca 2 points 22 hours ago

Kids don't party at universities as in the past, too much pressure and competition. Mental health is a huge problem, suicides are a huge problem. I've been teaching 25 years and I really worry about this generation.

[–] tomiant@piefed.social 10 points 1 day ago

"We don't need thinking people. We need numbers on the chart to go up-up-up!"

[–] TheReturnOfPEB@reddthat.com 12 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

I wonder how many foreign made woven baskets decorate the Ford home.

I bet a lot.

[–] veeesix@lemmy.ca 9 points 1 day ago

And no sticker-making business dreams. That’s his job!

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