a post about how many nazis remained in positions of power is made, the op is called a tankie and people defend the decision to keep nazis around
You know when you see a thread full of people excited to justify the post war nazi collaboration, and also at the same time seem to think that the US alone won WW2, and to top it off are frantically posting about the tankies... idk dude it just doesn't feel great. I can't believe how much nazi apologia I've seen creeping up the past couple years, but the past month still feels like a fever dream
I've said it before but I think a lot about what leftists were doing in Germany in the 1930s because it seems like we're going to have to experience it ourselves
Good thing they defederated from Hexbear. Otherwise authoritarian misinformation and propaganda might have run wild on their trans friendly instance.
Their problem with "red fash" was never the "fash" part. Do not expect any resistance to fascisn from these people
Big air quotes around "trans friendly" when you don't purge chasers
Their idea of "friendly" is unmitigated thirstposting with stalking characteristics 
"Yeah we should have just killed every German! That would show those dumb Nazis!"
Damn if only there was a middle ground between execution and funneling Nazi elite into your highest echelons of power
Liberals claim to love compromise, yet they reject the middle ground of "only execute the nazis"
Sorry sweatie, compromise only works towards the right. I don't make the rules, maybe 
harder next time.
The sad fact is that Marxist-Leninism allows a buildup of nationalist and ethnonationalist sentiment within their states, even though the goal should be to unite the workers from all socialist states against the owning class.
What in the absolute fuck are these people on?
Oh right, v*ush
To the current Russian state, the war in Ukraine is an attempt to rebuild the USSR under the banner of nationalism rather than socialism.
These are real posts, written by real libs.
Literally the reason the USSR had a strong government over the Republics was to keep states like Georgia and Ukraine from becoming ethnonational fiefdoms, while sabotage and insurgency by the CIA stoked Nazism in Ukraine and all sorts of racial animosity in the Balkans, and we have seen the "fruit" of both efforts. The idea that the USSR was Russian supremacist is unhinged. Was there Russian chauvinism? Sure, but that is not the same thing.
If i string along enough words i don't understand, i might accidentally make a point!
Another despicable historical distortion going on in those comments is about the treaty of Versailles. American liberals like to go on about how it was so harsh that the rise of Nazism was a perfectly rational reaction. That's not only historically highly dubious – it was much less harsh than most anything the German Empire did to the losers of its wars (see Brest-Litovsk) – but it's also, like, only two degrees away from the stab-in-the-back myth (Dolchstoßlegende). That is to say: The Nazis liked to claim that the horrible economic state of the Republic was due to the "traitors" who gave up on WWI and signed the treaty, causing all of Germany's economic problems (never mind the Great Depression). No one should be agreeing with the Nazis on any part of that idea.
Has anyone done any analysis on if Weimar’s collapse could be more closely tied to losing its colonies and still trying to be a social democracy?
the worst provisions of Versailles were cancelled or restructured after the crash of 29.
The morons in the comments who think the US was the deciding factor in WW2 are hardly better
Yup saying America's manufacturing ability is what turned the tide.
Literally "capitalism stopped hitler"
I pointed out to a lib and a conservative I know about how many important positions found themselves filled with Nazis and they both looked them up and said "But they say there were forced to (join the Nazis)"
If Hitler hadn't eaten a bullet and been recruited as the head of the CIA and said the holocaust had been done behind his back and against his wishes, these people would've believed it
If Hitler hadn't eaten a bullet and been recruited as the head of the CIA and said the holocaust had been done behind his back and against his wishes, these people would've believed it
I feel like Hitler was probably fucked no matter what because the execution of some of the very top Nazis was important for propaganda reasons, but if Hitler was caught and tried and killed, there are probably other high-ranking Nazis who would have been recruited (the kabuki theater being satisfied by killing others) and said just as you describe
one of them tries the "but they were scientists" angle, as though NATO chief of staff is somehow a scientific position doing lab research or something? .... and not, say, a position that is crucial for providing logistical, material, and financial support to right-wing terror networks of paramilitaries organized and activated to prevent the left from taking advantage of popularity over conservatism in recently liberated democratic countries delivered from from right wing fascists by leftist partisans and the red army.
also I'd really like to see these fuckers say Klaus Barbie and Reinhardt Gehlen were merely scientists.
Also the more clever among them will frequently try to conflate Paperclip (where the US enticed nazi scientists and helped them immigrate and gave them prominent positions) with Osoaviakhim (where the soviets kidnapped nazi scientists ) while ignoring Bloodstone (which actively sought out ideological nazis for western covert projects)
Yeah some dipshit already brought that one up, as if putting the head Nazi scientists and generals in charge of NASA and NATO is the same as forcing their scientists to work for the USSR as war reparations. Then some others in the thread cried whataboutism, lol
wait, you are telling me that operating gladio was run by nazis? no fucking way
Nazi politicians produce nazi policies. Nazi scientists produce scientific research.
because science is historically apolitical and "research" produced by nazis/racists/etc is definitely known for being very objective......
Most Nazi science was ridiculous anyways. What beneficial knowledge is there in torturing twins and seeing which one dies faster?
Yea I wouldn’t comment something like this in a vacuum, but based on comments they made and the fact that nazis being in nato is a common justification for russian imperialism among tankies, op definitely is a tankie
Oh wait you’re a hexbear user, fuck Idk why I bothered explaining myself to you lol
KICK TANKIES OUT OF 196
Damn, that's a crazy explanation. Not liking Nazis makes you a tankie. I don't even need nazis in NATO to not like NATO
V*ushites keep overloading and breaking my 
, something has got to be done about them.
But the whole meme is pointless. Seems like calling out that these people shouldn’t have been allowed to be part of a new society after the nazi state was destroyed. It’s not that easy no matter how much people like to draw history and the world as a whole as black and white.
It is in fact that easy. 
/r/196 used to be really progressive, political, and openly left wing.
My gut tells me that the "anti tankie" discourse there was entirely fabricated / astro-turfed by Langley.
I dunno if Langley would have needed to do much. Could just be a classic case of “how did all this fascism get in my anti communism?”
Yeah when CTH was still alive 196 was genuinely good.
It went to ratshit afterwards. CTH was killed, tankiejerk appeared and 196 then started doing anti-tankie stuff. The entire anti-tankie discourse ramped up at that time.
yeah the usual explanation that it's just know-it-all yank teenagers really isn't convincing to me. even to the dorkiest friendless reddit 14 year old there's nothing cool about bein a NATO lib.
“Do I not destroy my enemies if I make them my friends?” - Abraham Lincoln
Openly admitting they're okay with being friends with Nazis.
No Lincoln, no you do not.
Lincoln famously received a very decisive rebuttal to this particular point actually
kick tankies out of 196!
The Ledditors have committed a whataboutism, so I am forced to declare OP the winner.
This has to be an op. I cannot imagine normal folks spitting such bad takes so confidently
This is the average opinion of tech workers
Blahaj zone like all online trans spaces are probably massively disproportionately transfems and online transfems are largely disproportionately coders by trade
Nope, just what watching V*ush does to your brain
The 3 who were high-up Nazis and were in their political positions due to being Nazis is definitely worse than Von Braun. I don't understand how you defend that. You're telling me they couldn't find 3 non-nazis to do that stuff, and that those Nazis had special experience due to trying to move politically up under fascism?
Von Braun is more understandable to defend out of ignorance, even if I disagree with it. He was a Nazi party member, had an SS ranking, and saw the conditions of the slave labour used in the rocket program. But also it's questionable how much of that was because he wanted to keep doing rocket science, and how much was because he was a Nazi.
He was also a good rocket scientist with actual technical knowledge, unlike the other 3 who were military guys on a side that lost the war. If you told me that you couldn't find a non-nazi who would be able to head a rocket program as well then I'd be more inclined to believe that.
He also should've never been the head of NASA, and his career advancement should've been capped so we don't see his name praised in history books. It's disrespectful to have a guy who definitely used concentration camp labour to be a well-known rocket scientist. Meanwhile nobody can name the nazi scientists the USSR took.
Not even getting to recruited Nazi torturers like Klaus Barbie used for Gladio shit.
Von Braun was a stone-cold, evil bastard monster who personally saw to the hangings of his slave workers, often right there on the spot if they pissed him off enough. It's a disgrace that he got to live a full life after the war.
He was a Nazi party member, had an SS ranking, and saw the conditions of the slave labour used in the rocket program. But also it's questionable how much of that was because he wanted to keep doing rocket science, and how much was because he was a Nazi.
It sounds like he was a Nazi, you don't get to join the SS, oversee slave labour camps and executions, and not be a Nazi. I don't think his motives mattered if he was willing to kill 20,000 people in his slave rocket factory. He should have been hanged, his expertise be damned.
The people of NATO at it again
Also saying the USSR was bad and doing a ‘whataboutism’ by criticising the US for lynching black people, like KKK apologia to go along with the Nazi apologia. 
It's the dunk tank.
This is where you come to post big-brained hot takes by chuds, libs, or even fellow leftists, and tear them to itty-bitty pieces with precision dunkstrikes.
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