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[–] TexNox@feddit.uk 3 points 2 hours ago

There's a wonderful tumbler post that I saw a few year ago about why horses are a hot mess and it's all because they don't have enough toes:

[–] wieson@feddit.org 6 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

I'm more shocked that people DON'T know that many animals walk on their tippy toes. Cats, dogs, cows, deer, lions. There are few that actually stand on their heel. Bears do on their rear legs.

I guess, that's where a sensible language helps. I'll compare the English word to the one in my language translated literally:

Digitigrade = toe-walker
Ungulate = toe-tip-walker
Artiodactyl = pair-hoofer
Perissodactyl = un-pair-hoofer

[–] Wrrzag@lemmy.ml 4 points 6 hours ago

I don't know what's your language, but I'd translate ungulate to nail-walker (which is weirder)

[–] HrabiaVulpes@europe.pub 1 points 4 hours ago

It's literally middle fingers.

[–] nullspace@lemmy.world 12 points 15 hours ago

When you tap your fingers around like a little prancing horse you are being scientifically accurate.

[–] AngryCommieKender@lemmy.world 15 points 20 hours ago (3 children)

#KillRacingNotHorses

California alone has already had 20+ horse deaths this year at only 3 tracks. No legitimate sport would accept the deaths of their athletes on a routine and consistent schedule, as just a fact of life.

[–] HrabiaVulpes@europe.pub 2 points 4 hours ago (2 children)

Dead horse best horse. Have you tried their meat? Delicious! I don't get why we waste it for entertainment.

Luckily in my country there are people who regularly harass entertainment stables until they get closed and horses get sold to butcher.

[–] teslasaur@lemmy.world 1 points 1 hour ago

Horse meat is incredible. The horse breeders where i live actually sell the meat rather than burning it. Win-win. They get to breed incredible horses, we get food.

[–] Sylvartas@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 2 hours ago

I mean they're a pretty great working animal

[–] mindbleach@sh.itjust.works 5 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

Is that rate significantly different from other working horses? No other sport has athletes who can die of a stuffy nose.

[–] NigelFrobisher@aussie.zone 4 points 13 hours ago (1 children)
[–] ragas@lemmy.ml 1 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

Dieing of a stuffy nose probably relates to diving.

But I guess in darts everything is live and death. Soo yeah, why not.

[–] NigelFrobisher@aussie.zone 1 points 4 hours ago

One time I walked into the kitchen as my brother threw a dart and it stuck in my head a second. I don’t think that’s necessarily the reason why he went to one of the best unis in the world and I’m on Lemmy though.

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[–] Smoogs@lemmy.world 22 points 23 hours ago (3 children)

well they arent fingers. they are still anatomical legs.

they are ungulates. meaning they walk on a developed digit, yes, but the legs above that are still legs as a whole and are not without tendons and muscles.

and their abilty for running is more from directional of the torso to hip and shoulder girdle to how the legs are angled down. the digit is evolved for speed and less shock absorbtion from taking away from the speed to travel faster in a particular direction.

that person callig their whole leg digits needs to read up on quadrapedal anatomy

[–] Eranziel@lemmy.world 7 points 15 hours ago

I would also argue against their reasoning for poor health outcomes after breaking a leg. The poster stated it was because the legs are evolved digits, but that really has nothing to do with it. I would argue they never needed to evolve anatomy that can handle a broken limb because wild horses who broke a limb very quickly became a meal.

[–] Pipster@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 20 hours ago

I think thats taking what they said a bit too literally, both the knowledge they do have and the tone makes it pretty clear to me that they know what they are saying but are using it for humerous (heh) exaggeration and effect.

[–] MonkeMischief@lemmy.today 4 points 23 hours ago

Appreciate this.

Lol Tumblr biology is wild. 😂

[–] NottaLottaOcelot@lemmy.ca 19 points 1 day ago

They were wildly disturbed by walking on finger tips (like pretty much every four legged creature), but skipped right over lungs bleeding???

[–] LaunchesKayaks@lemmy.world 32 points 1 day ago (5 children)

Don't forget that they can die of a tummy ache!

They have VERY precarious digestion and digestive anatomy. They can very easily colic (colic is a very generalized term here btw) and die. Almost saw a horse die this past spring because it had an empty stomach for just a little too long.

Colic is my biggest fear as a horse owner. My childhood horse died from it. We don't know what exactly happened with her. We found her exhibiting all the symptoms and we did what we could but by the time the vet got there, she'd been deteriorating for almost 10 hours. She couldn't stay standing at that point and had nearly crushed me and two other people trying to keep her on her feet. She was put down and the whole thing fucked me up real bad for a long time.

She put up one hell of a fight for being as old as she was. She was 33 and didn't act it at all.

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[–] whatiswrongwithyou@lemmy.ml 5 points 20 hours ago

Only the bottom third or so of the leg is a finger. The rest is a leg.

[–] RQG@lemmy.world 23 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (4 children)

I have several horse riding people in my social circle.

Several horses have just randomly died for them. It's apparently a thing that sometimes happens.

Last time one had twisted intestines or something and had to be put down. Apparently that can happen if a horse moves wrong. It's what the vet said.

I imagine this as when you take a sudden move and pinch a nerve in your neck. But instead of some time of slight pain and discomfort, you just die.

[–] Triasha@lemmy.world 6 points 23 hours ago (1 children)

Twisted gut cuts off bloodflow, and since intestines are soft tissue they can just stay twisted until that part of the organ dies, and then having a section of intestine dead is just fatal unless you get surgical intervention and usually still even then.

It's less common in humans and more survivable, maybe because we can do bed rest. You cant just tell a horse not to move wrong or go to a liquid diet.

[–] RebekahWSD@lemmy.world 1 points 6 hours ago

We do bed rest pretty well (other than bed sores but we can prevent those) and often a bit of "stop moving and let all the energy go to the wound" is helpful!

[–] kazerniel@lemmy.world 7 points 1 day ago

Last time one had twisted intestines or something and had to be put down. Apparently that can happen if a horse moves wrong. It’s what the vet said.

from what I remember it can also happen to large dog breeds

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[–] zqwzzle@lemmy.ca 80 points 1 day ago (21 children)
[–] socsa@piefed.social 4 points 20 hours ago

Hey buddy fuck you too

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[–] Elting@piefed.social 37 points 1 day ago (3 children)

I get this meme is funny but like, if horses really were that fragile then they would not have been domesticated into the work machines we had before combustion engines. They were our automobiles, they plowed our fields and fought in our wars. Yes evolution is a messy ordeal, but it can produce beings that have wild amounts of endurance and horses are near the top of that list.

[–] timestatic@feddit.org 1 points 13 hours ago

I don't think horses were commonly used on the fields. Bulls and Donkeys were a lot more common there. Horses are quick but I don't think they can bear as much load

[–] JoeBigelow@lemmy.ca 50 points 1 day ago (6 children)

Horses are like the ultimate fascist's enemy, powerful and fragile at the same time.

They really are glass cannons though. When I was young I watched a bird land on the paddock rail, a horse who was standing right there didn't notice, turned a little and saw it, JUMPED WITH ALL 4 LEGS straight up and broke one when it landed. What the fuck!?

[–] ouRKaoS@lemmy.today 9 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Got it.

Sneak up on cats with cucumbers and on horses with birds.

What do we do for dogs?

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[–] metallic_z3r0@infosec.pub 3 points 20 hours ago

If you consider Przewalski's horse as being closer to the original lineage than what we've bred them to be, I'd imagine they didn't have as many issues, in the same way Przewalski's horse doesn't. They're smaller but stockier, so they can hold themselves up on three limbs, their skin isn't as tight so it can heal from wounds better, and their soles are thicker so they can run on rough terrain without as much risk of injury. We bred horses to work, to carry us, and to be shiny, and I think that ruined much of their resilience.

[–] djsoren19@lemmy.blahaj.zone 47 points 1 day ago (1 children)

people often think of evolution as this purely positive force. very "survival of the fittest" types. the horse is a great example that evolution sometimes ends up making very very silly creatures.

[–] naught101@lemmy.world 29 points 1 day ago (3 children)

It's survival of the genetic line that reproduces enough to stay alive. The weird shit is often related to path dependence, or is just not enough of a detriment to affect evolutionary outcomes.

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[–] mindbleach@sh.itjust.works 52 points 1 day ago (6 children)

Redditor /u/coffeeincluded:

Horses. Dear god, horses.

First off, horses are obligate nasal breathers. If our noses are stuffed up we can breathe through our mouths. If our pets' noses are stuffed up (except for rabbits, who are also really fragile but unlike horses aren't stuck having only one baby a year) they can breathe through their mouths. If a horse can't breathe through its nose, it will suffocate and die.

Horse eyes are exquisitely sensitive to steroids. Most animal eyes are, except for cows because cows are tanks, but horses are extremely sensitive. Corneal ulcers won't heal. They'll probably get worse. They might rupture and cause eyeball fluid to leak out.

If you overexert a horse they can get exertional rhabodmyolysis. Basically you overwork their muscles and they break down and die and release their contents. Super painful, and then you get scarifying and necrosis. But that's not the problem. See, when muscles die hey release myoglobin, which goes into the blood and is filtered by the kidneys. If you dump a bucket of myoglobin into the blood then it shreds the kidneys, causing acute renal failure. This kills the horse. People and other animals can get that too but in school we only talked about it in context of the horse.

Horses can only have one foal at a time. Their uterus simply can't support two foals. If a pregnant horse has twins you have to abort one or they'll both die and possibly kill the mother with them. A lot of this has to do with the way horse placentas work. EDIT: There are very, very rare instances where a mare can successfully have twins, but it's sort of like the odds of being able to walk again after a paralyzing spinal injury.

If a horse rears up on its hind legs it can fall over, hit the back of its head, and get a traumatic brain injury.

Now to their digestive system. Oh boy. First of all, they can't vomit. There's an incredibly tight sphincter in between the stomach and esophagus that simply won't open up. If a horse is vomiting it's literally about to die. In many cases their stomach will rupture before they vomit. When treating colic you need to reflux the horse, which means shoving a tube into their stomach and pumping out any material to decompress the stomach and proximal GI tract. Their small intestines are 70+ feet long (which is expected for a big herbivore) and can get strangulated, which is fatal without surgery.

Let's go to the large intestine. Horses are hindgut fermenters, not ruminants. I'll spare you the diagram and extended anatomy lesson but here's what you need to know: Their cecum is large enough to shove a person into, and the path of digesta doubles back on itself. The large intestine is very long, has segments of various diameters, multiple flexures, and doubles back on itself several times. It's not anchored to the body wall with mesentery like it is in many other animals. The spleen can get trapped. Parts of the colon can get filled with gas or digested food and/or get displaced. Parts of the large intestine can twist on themselves, causing torsions or volvulus. These conditions can range from mildly painful to excruciating. Many require surgery or intense medical therapy for the horse to have any chance of surviving. Any part of the large intestine can fail at any time and potentially kill the horse. A change in feed can cause colic. Giving birth can cause I believe a large colon volvulus I don't know at the moment I'm going into small animal medicine. Infections can cause colic. Lots of things can cause colic and you better hope it's an impaction and not enteritis or a volvulus.

And now the legs. Before we start with bones and hooves let's talk about the skin. The skin on horse legs, particularly their lower legs, is under a lot of tension and has basically no subcutaneous tissue. If a horse lacerated its legs and has a dangling flap of skin that's a fucking nightmare. That skin is incredibly difficult to successfully suture back together because it's under so much tension. There's basically no subcutaneous tissue underneath. You need to use releasing incisions and all sorts of undermining techniques to even get the skin loose enough to close without tearing itself apart afterwards. Also horses like to get this thing called proud flesh where scar tissue just builds up into this giant ugly mass that restricts movement. If a horse severely lacerated a leg it will take months to heal and the prognosis is not great.

Let's look at the bones. You know how if a horse breaks a leg you usually have to euthanize it? There's a reason for that. Some fractures can be repaired but others can't. A horse weighs thousands of pounds and is literally carrying all that weight on the middle toes of their legs. They are simply incapable of bearing weight on three legs. And a lot of that is because of...

Laminitis. This killed Barbaro and Secretariat. Barbaro would have made it through the broken leg but he got laminitis in his other legs. First, a quick anatomy lesson. The horse hoof is like our fingernails, except it covers the whole foot and is a lot thicker. And to make sure it stays on their food, which again is carrying all that weight on one middle toe per leg, the hoof interdigitates with the skin underneath. And these interdigitations have interdigitations. Think of it as Velcro, and the Velcro also has Velcro. When the horse is healthy, this system works great. But let's make something go wrong. Maybe there's too much weight on the hoof. Maybe the horse is septic. Maybe there's too much sugar, or insulin resistance. Whatever happens, the tissues in the hoof get inflamed and swell up. And because the hoof itself is there, there's nowhere for the swollen soft tissues to go. So the laminae get crushed, and you lose the support system that's holding the entire foot up. This is incredibly painful, and has to be caught early. Because if you let it go on too long, their toe bone will start to rotate because there's nothing holding it in place anymore (this is founder). And in some cases, the toe bone can actually fall through the bottom of the hoof.

TL;DR: Horses are actively trying to die on us.

Source: I'm a veterinary student.

[–] Sylvartas@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago)

If a horse rears up on its hind legs it can fall over, hit the back of its head, and get a traumatic brain injury.

I mean, so can we, and we are actually bipedal, so I wouldn't count that one.

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[–] Catoblepas@lemmy.blahaj.zone 30 points 1 day ago (4 children)

Re: why didn’t horses evolve better leg healing, if you’re a proto horse and injure your leg you’re probably not living to heal it, because you can no longer run. So there is no evolutionary pressure to spread those genes through the population, even if a horse did randomly get born with genes that let it heal its legs better than other horses, because no selection mechanism would exist.

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