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[-] autismdragon@hexbear.net 96 points 1 year ago

Remember, whiteness destroys culture, including the individual ethnic cultures of the people included in the club.

[-] Dirt_Owl@hexbear.net 61 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

They tried to take all the cool shit away from Scotland and Ireland! They tried to ban kilts!

[-] driving_crooner@lemmy.eco.br 46 points 1 year ago

I was un a dance club this weekend, and there was a guy that I assume was a metalhead, long hair, beard, metal band t-shirt and a really cool kilt banging on tge dance floor. Pretty cool party, there was also a girl in a wedding dress and a white medieval doctor mask.

[-] Moss@hexbear.net 15 points 1 year ago

Irish dancing lives on though! It's cool as hell and pretty popular among men as well

[-] Dirt_Owl@hexbear.net 13 points 1 year ago
[-] DragonBallZinn@hexbear.net 5 points 1 year ago

Celts are honorary PoC, Scotland just needs to stop hanging out with their toxic friend, England and just start minding their own business and I think they're as good as redeemed.

[-] RyanGosling@hexbear.net 53 points 1 year ago

The only acceptable traditional aryan culture is that cultivated by white Americans who are 50 generations separated from their ancestral European homeland, and the culture consists of random blonde bimbos wearing German skirts living in a wooden cabin.

[-] sooper_dooper_roofer@hexbear.net 11 points 1 year ago

the only actual aryan culture is btfoing whatever the fuck that lives in Europe

[-] electric_nan@lemmy.ml 51 points 1 year ago

This is exactly right. The concept of 'whiteness' flattens the ethnicity of millions of people. I'm not a 'traditionalist' in any sense, but I do find value in some celebration of the ethnic culture of my immigrant forebears. I think this is a good path to deprogramming 'white' people of their 'whiteness', at least in multiethnic settler states like the US.

[-] SaniFlush@hexbear.net 48 points 1 year ago

I know... I have NOTHING of whatever my ancestry used to have. What am I supposed to be proud of? War? Fast food? Privatization?

[-] autismdragon@hexbear.net 51 points 1 year ago

Be proud of humanity's greatest accomplishment: the MCU

[-] DragonBallZinn@hexbear.net 9 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Actually, many CHUDs (ESPECIALLY WASPs) would say yes. Even as a kid it bothered me just how cultureless the US felt.

[-] JohnBrownNote@hexbear.net 32 points 1 year ago

that's the true spirit of white history month

[-] GinAndJuche@hexbear.net 81 points 1 year ago

It amuses me to no end how these losers are all about “retvrn” and “European roots”.

Congrats guys, you never spiritually decolonized and now the last vestiges of your ancestral religions scare you.

[-] krolden@lemmy.ml 12 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Blame vvitchhouse

[-] huf@hexbear.net 6 points 1 year ago

i dont think fear is the response most people feel about these sorts of vaguely pagan cosplay events. it's probably closer to how most people feel about stamp collecting. just complete and utter disinterest.

anyway, nobody except the fringe of the fringe (like varg) consider this to be the european roots they want to return to. they dont even think about this at all.

[-] oregoncom@hexbear.net 7 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Idk people seem to love to performatively hate on stuff like Astrology and divinations, which do seem like the last vestiges of pagan religion for white people. Idk I could be wrong. It just reminds me of when Occupied Koreans malded that their president consulted a "witch" even though that's literally their native religion.

[-] huf@hexbear.net 7 points 1 year ago

well yeah, people will hate on astrology the way they hate on flat eartherism. i'm p sure it's basically the same people doing both.

not sure that it has anything to do with pagan stuff. europe is a lost cause, even the "pagan" stuff we have is modern made up shit based on 18-19th century made up shit, because everything is gone.

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[-] SorosFootSoldier@hexbear.net 64 points 1 year ago

Wow this is DEEPLY SATANIC and not white.

[-] JohnBrownNote@hexbear.net 64 points 1 year ago

that explains why it's cool

[-] DragonBallZinn@hexbear.net 8 points 1 year ago

I will never forgive WASPs for their endless pursuit in making the world as boring as humanly possible. Why does getting a job have to be so hard, and pay so little while everything is so expensive? Seriously, who are they trying to impress?

[-] hexaflexagonbear@hexbear.net 45 points 1 year ago

Old pagan rituals are really dope.

[-] Maoo@hexbear.net 32 points 1 year ago

Looking good there the more horns the better

[-] oregoncom@hexbear.net 30 points 1 year ago

If Christianity never destroyed almost all of the native traditions of white people maybe they wouldn't be so angsty. Maybe under socialism Roman statue twitter guys will be reeducated to embrace the German tree worship of their ancestors.

[-] kristina@hexbear.net 21 points 1 year ago

Hindutva nationalists prove this wrong unfortunately

[-] doublepepperoni@hexbear.net 19 points 1 year ago

These guys would find a way to make a religion centered around the worship of Barney the Purple Dinosaur racist and sexist

[-] Hestia@hexbear.net 10 points 1 year ago

Pretty sure the person who played barney ended up being a pedo...

[-] TheDialectic@hexbear.net 14 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Not a pedo to my knowledge just a weirdly hornt sex guy. All the stuff about loving eachother and being a big family was actually some leftover 70s hippy stuff if I recall correctly. Which statistically does mean he was up to no good. I just want there to be a sex guy from our childhoods that wasn't terrible

[-] sooper_dooper_roofer@hexbear.net 15 points 1 year ago

homophobia is Abrahamic

the white peoples must retvrn to man love

[-] ElChapoDeChapo@hexbear.net 15 points 1 year ago

By and large Alexander the great was by all accounts bi and large

[-] sooper_dooper_roofer@hexbear.net 10 points 1 year ago

he was actually 5'4" at best

[-] Egon@hexbear.net 8 points 1 year ago

He's not talking about height

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[-] kot@hexbear.net 15 points 1 year ago

Theres plenty of fascists who are into germanic neopaganism.

[-] autismdragon@hexbear.net 5 points 1 year ago

Neopagans who arent fascists are usually pretty cool though i think. Sometimes a bit cringe but its ok.

[-] Awoo@hexbear.net 5 points 1 year ago

They're like furries but their subculture is paganism instead of fursuits.

[-] PaulSmackage@hexbear.net 11 points 1 year ago

"I am a true Angle"

finds out they're actually Frisian

shocked-pikachu

[-] Assian_Candor@hexbear.net 25 points 1 year ago

We need to be more like the Spartans. Men need to only have sex with other men, we need to grow our hair long, and spend all day combing it with fine oils

[-] Egon@hexbear.net 10 points 1 year ago

The Spartans sucked actually. They used to have a holiday where they killed slaves for fun

[-] badbadcomrade@hexbear.net 7 points 1 year ago

Compromise, men having sex with men but the holiday is now that they kill slave owners for fun john-brown, but with spears so it's authentic

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[-] DamarcusArt@lemmygrad.ml 23 points 1 year ago

They seem to only want to return to the shitty traditions that suck. None of the fun local dances or festivals, no cool local customs, just treating women like property and kicking out minorities. I don't know how these guys can even support their own hypothetical future goals, they just sound a really boring world to live in.

[-] kristina@hexbear.net 23 points 1 year ago

Hell yeah let's go back to doing weird shit and having public orgies

[-] Frank@hexbear.net 17 points 1 year ago

Barely attested religious practices from thousands of years ago are not European religion. Christianity did not erase white people's culture. Christianity did not colonize, imperialize, texturize, or homogenize Europe (excepting, very specifically, Lithuania). Homophobia is not Abrahamic - homosexuality as understood in modern culture and homophobia as understood in modern culture are both products of modern culture, with homophobia largely anchored in industrial revolution era notions of family, society, and patriarchy. Astrology is not "pagan", it existed the whole time and was an integrated feature of Christian societies. There was never some authentic primal real spiritually and emotionally satisfying Paganism (trademark llc all rights reserved copyright disney corporation mmccxxvi) that everyone was happy with before christianty ruined everything. Human cultures - including law, religion, sexuality, gender, food - evolve, change, spread, and syncretize constantly. They only very, very rarely disapear when an entire people is extremely thoroughly wiped out, which almost never happens. Missionary imperialism as we conceive it was a 19th century project. The hacienda colonialism that the Spanish employed in the Americas was it's own thing, with infuelnce on later religious imperialisms, that employed different theories and methods with different goalsm

I cannot emphasize this enough; magic isn't real, gods aren't real, religion is stuff people believe that does not necessarily correlate to an observable external reality. Christians don't do " pagan" stuff. They do christian stuff that in some cases was either adapted from the practices of other religion, or rose out of a syncretic (same "syn" as synthesis) mixing of religions and beliefs. Thoraboos all think Christianity came along and wrecked their sigma chad viking fascist whatever the fuck. Archeology suggests there was a long period where pre-christian northern european religious practices were practised alongside, and eventually merged with, christian practice.

All of this stuff is changing all the time! The christmas tree isn't some sacrificial wotan holiday log. It's not even the same thing as the christmas tree from 20, 100, or 200 years ago. Culture changes all the time. Even when culture doesn't seem to change that's often superficial - the fabric might look the same from a distance, but the dyestufss used, the method by which the fabric was made and transported, the method of sewing, all kinds of things are changing and so people's relation to their culture and the artifacts of their culture change, and in turn that culture and those artifacts change. There is never stasis. There are no ancestral traditions handed down unchanged through the centuries!

We live in modern times, and so did our ancestors, all of our ancestors, all the way back to monke! As long as there has been writing we have records of anxiety about the rapid, sometimes overwhelming changes in cultures, norms, and traditions. Yes! Postmodernism, futureshock, alienation, all these things are real, and their distressing effects are intense in our lives! But these feelings are not unique to us! You can trace changes in fashion on the walls of ancient tombs! You can read concerns for the well being of the youth written with iron gall ink on ancient vellum! The world has never been still or static! We have always danced and sung and warred and wailed and changed! Always, always, there is change!

[-] TraumaDumpling@hexbear.net 15 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

theres a difference between what happened in europe to pagans and what happened in later imperialism, but you are ignoring a lot of very real and very violent cultural repression on the part of christians in this post. like theres documents where they talk about how they are going to infiltrate and break up local power structures. they hunted down and murdered religious and political leaders of the pagans. if you posted this about, for example, native americans losing large parts of their culture and heritage, it would be understood by everyone to be cringe imperialist both-sidesing.

'shut up about ur lost culture and genocided population! life is change! culture is change! move on and just accept whatever the current hegemony is, because everything changes!'

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[-] darkmode@hexbear.net 10 points 1 year ago

Ecc. 1:9

What has been will be again, >what has been done will be done again; there is nothing new under the sun.

jesus-cleanse

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[-] autismdragon@hexbear.net 7 points 1 year ago

Frank I love you but Id like to note that I said whiteness not Christianity. White supremacy has a very specific idea of what "culture" should be and very much alienates and supresses things outside it, including expressions of Paganism that arent just milquetoast things like wearing a Thor hammer.

Also this expression of tradition might recent rather than truly authentic but does it occure to you that thats because its all they have left to do now?

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[-] keepcarrot@hexbear.net 13 points 1 year ago

Return to tradition guys have always been about selecting their favourite tropes from the past, seemingly without rhyme or reason. While I can't speak to any individual's beliefs and how they got there, the wider movement always chooses things that support currently existing power structures.

It's how you get Spartan worship while ignoring homosexuality etc

[-] poppy_apocalypse@hexbear.net 11 points 1 year ago

Retvrn to tradition... by emptying the chamber pot directly out your window. Oh the glorious days known as the "great stink"

[-] Xx_Aru_xX@hexbear.net 7 points 1 year ago

Title reminded me of when a random guy on reddit dm'ed me to join his "return to tradition" subreddit or someshit, so I sent a pic of me in a traditional Kabyle dress UwU

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