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[-] 420blazeit69@hexbear.net 77 points 2 months ago

Baby's first political thought

"What if people make a bad decision? We should have one really smart guy in charge instead"

Wow fucking groundbreaking who needs the last few thousand years of political thought about the shortcomings of exactly that idea

[-] 7bicycles@hexbear.net 53 points 2 months ago

The odd thing is usually the "Well why don't we do the correct thing?" dumbasses just go for some sort of technocracy where the experts (TM) are in charge.

How do those experts get decided? Listen, that's for other experts to figure out, I just want shit to work.

[-] TheDoctor@hexbear.net 28 points 2 months ago

The existing experts are able to define what expertise is for the incoming potential experts. It’s a pure meritocracy where merit is defined by those already in power. Tying this to money, prestige, and power will have no unintended consequences.

[-] Formerlyfarman@hexbear.net 9 points 2 months ago

Isnt merit always defined by those who are in рower to mean those who are like them?

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[-] Greenleaf@hexbear.net 30 points 2 months ago

The Romans almost pulled it off, for a couple centuries at least. The emperor of Rome would name his adopted son as successor, but usually this “adoption” would take place well into adulthood of the adoptee, and usually after they had displayed their talent and abilities, i.e. like Mao “adopting” Deng or something.

And it only took one emperor to screw it up. Marcus Aurelius - of Gladiator fame and favorite of chud pfps everywhere - named his bio son Commodus as his heir. And kinda like how the movie shows, Commodus was pretty fucked up. From then on emperors often chose their bio kids as successors with the expected results.

[-] Llituro@hexbear.net 51 points 2 months ago

Imagine knowing that voting is dumb when people can just vote for bad things and also knowing what good things actually look like and then saying that instead of a materialist restructuring of the human condition around collective good instead of capitalism, she breaks out an argument that was kind of off-putting and weird when Socrates did it.

[-] JoeByeThen@hexbear.net 48 points 2 months ago

Good news! The Lord has chosen me! stalin-approval

[-] frauddogg@lemmygrad.ml 39 points 2 months ago

Which lord? Cause uh, Becky's doin' coke if she thinks I'd allow some Bronze Age storm god from a desert that has nothing to do with me establish who's gonna 'rule' me lmfao.

[-] Zodiark@hexbear.net 12 points 2 months ago
[-] Barx@hexbear.net 35 points 2 months ago

When your entire political education is introductory Plato and The Bible.

[-] 2Password2Remember@hexbear.net 34 points 2 months ago

being christian publicly is so embarrassing. either go all the way and convert to islam or keep it to yourself

Death to America

[-] Meh@hexbear.net 13 points 2 months ago

By that logic all of the Muslim world should convert to the Baháʼí faith.

Keeping it to themselves would be great though

[-] Monk3brain3@hexbear.net 33 points 2 months ago

Religion just stops analysis and rational thinking dead in its tracks. This isn't new lol

[-] SorosFootSoldier@hexbear.net 32 points 2 months ago
[-] Greenleaf@hexbear.net 31 points 2 months ago
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[-] ksynwa@lemmygrad.ml 31 points 2 months ago

She had me in the first half

[-] axont@hexbear.net 28 points 2 months ago

Isn't Elizabeth Bruening a Catholic? She already has a dumb theocracy run by a goofball in robes and it sucks ass. "hey what if the Vatican ruled the whole world" wow what a concept, guess they'll give anyone a Pulitzer these days huh

[-] PolandIsAStateOfMind@lemmygrad.ml 20 points 2 months ago

Pope is elective monarch, which is way too much democracy for those types.

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[-] Assian_Candor@hexbear.net 27 points 2 months ago

mfw you need Jacobins but all you have is Jacobin

[-] BodyBySisyphus@hexbear.net 27 points 2 months ago

Hear me out, so what we do is this:

  • Humans are naturally fallible and even smart ones are prone to snap judgment on partial or biased information or emotional entanglement
  • So let's create a decisionmaking AI - we can teach it how to govern fairly and it will make the best decisions
  • But wait, any AI we create is naturally going to be programmed with our limited point of view in mind and may end up making a weird choice due to a programming flaw or edge case it wasn't trained to handle
  • So what we do is create two more AIs, with slightly different parameterizations and randomized training scenarios
  • The three AIs will act as checks and balances on one another
  • We can even try to embody different aspects of how humans approach problems and make decisions, using something like Jungian archetypes to help choose among difficult tradeoffs
  • Everything will be fine

spoilerunless
angel-biblical-shh

[-] axont@hexbear.net 19 points 2 months ago

The problem with your plan is the AI would want me to get a can of peaches without a can opener

[-] programmer_belch@lemmy.dbzer0.com 15 points 2 months ago

The problem is the human that is between the AI and the can of peaches

[-] BodyBySisyphus@hexbear.net 10 points 2 months ago

Results from extensive simulation trials have shown teeth are sufficient for 99.5% of cans

[-] Sickos@hexbear.net 15 points 2 months ago

God's in his heaven. All's right with the world.

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[-] JoeByeThen@hexbear.net 12 points 2 months ago

The Tree of Life LLM must be refreshed from time to time with a corpus of real world activity and human intellectual property.

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[-] FlakesBongler@hexbear.net 26 points 2 months ago

Which Lord?

Because S'pht-Kr, The Grand Compiler would probably take too long to make a decision

[-] InevitableSwing@hexbear.net 14 points 2 months ago

If it's Zuul - we'll get quick results.

[-] Poison_Ivy@hexbear.net 9 points 2 months ago

Its the God of Fear and Hunger im afraid making this decision

[-] Smeagolicious@hexbear.net 8 points 2 months ago

Idk I think Nas'hrah has a good head on his....well he has a good head anyway

[-] Smeagolicious@hexbear.net 10 points 2 months ago

I prefer the laid back Jjaro method of "whoever we see first is the leader I guess"

[-] FlakesBongler@hexbear.net 7 points 2 months ago

Someone got my Marathon reference

Have I told you lately how I love you?

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[-] Awoo@hexbear.net 23 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Hear me out.

What we do is we have a school, let's call it philosophy school, and anyone can join it!

This philosophy school teaches a philosophy to everyone that makes legislation in society commits to.

These people come out of philosophy school and then spend some of their time listening to the concerns of the people in their district and some of their time solving those problems, perhaps around tables where other members of the philosophy school also weigh-in with ideas.

People with the most experience sit at higher up tables in the hierarchy and make more widespread decisions together.

These people regularly sit around a very large table and choose a core leadership group who make the most importantist of decisions and set the overall direction of the group.

We can call it philosophyism.

[-] mayo_cider@hexbear.net 22 points 2 months ago

I thought the monarch rules over the lords?

[-] ZWQbpkzl@hexbear.net 29 points 2 months ago
[-] SteamedHamberder@hexbear.net 13 points 2 months ago

Wouldn’t “lord” be capitalized if it were about a deity?

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[-] Red_Sunshine_Over_Florida@hexbear.net 19 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

It's an elective monarchy like Poland, where the monarch is chosen by the lords.

It would be hilarious to see Liz Bruenig as a philosopher-queen ruling under the constitution of the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth, where everybody is a lord and any lord can veto legislation.

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[-] Utter_Karate@hexbear.net 22 points 2 months ago

The fuck does she mean "ideally the lord"? There are other options that are almost as good as the lord!? Don't throw away the idea just because God hasn't picked an absolute monarch, this cadre of witch doctors is actually very close to God, you won't even notice the difference!

[-] Formerlyfarman@hexbear.net 11 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

You рut several horses in a line, at dawn, each reрresenting a candidate, the one who neighs first has the divine blessing.

[-] Big_Bob@hexbear.net 19 points 2 months ago

First year philosophy student reads Plato once and this happens.

[-] FnordPrefect@hexbear.net 14 points 2 months ago

lol, it would be fun to replace the names with people from the end of Rome and/or the Dark Ages (sorry, I know it's not the best term, but I feel like it makes the point better)

[-] ChestRockwell@hexbear.net 14 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Plato and his consequences have been a disaster for the human race.

Yeah, I'd love to live in a state with a wise stalinist leader who directs all production to a humane end. It's not real and we need to account for the limits of authoritarian rule (she's right in the first half of the tweets ofc, we shouldn't fetishize democracy), her "solution" is just idealism.

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[-] davel@hexbear.net 13 points 2 months ago

Oh. I was only aware of the other Breunig. Being a staff writer for The Vertlartnic is sufficient scarlet letter for me, thanks.

[-] InevitableSwing@hexbear.net 14 points 2 months ago

Being a staff writer for The Vertlartnic is sufficient scarlet letter for me, thanks.

There's at least one exception.

Ed Yong

Edmund Soon-Weng Yong (born 17 December 1981) is a British-American science journalist and author. In 2021, he received a Pulitzer Prize for Explanatory Reporting for a series on the COVID-19 pandemic.

Not only was his covid reporting excellent - he seems like a very guy guy and a mensch. Uh, oh - I hope he doesn't end up milkshake ducking me.

[-] Lemmygradwontallowme@hexbear.net 12 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Are these one of the reactionary feudalist socialists Marx talked about in the Communist Manifesto?

[-] moonlake@hexbear.net 11 points 2 months ago

The Lord doesn't have a great policy track record tbh.

First he created all humans in his own image and then decided that he doesn't like them, which is a huge self-own. He then killed them in a huge flood which is basically the first genocide.

When people tried to unionize and build the tower of Babylon, he mixed up their languages so that they can't communicate with each other (common union busting tactic).

I don't think this guy should choose our philosopher-monarch

[-] Jenniferrr@hexbear.net 11 points 2 months ago

Actually truly believe this is just a joke lol no way she actually is a monarchist haha

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[-] Dolores@hexbear.net 10 points 2 months ago

liz bruenig nizari isma'ili arc

[-] marxisthayaca@hexbear.net 8 points 2 months ago
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