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[–] FunkYankkkees@hexbear.net 112 points 2 months ago (5 children)

The entire premise of this is flawed. What Marx would or would not support is meaningless, he was not a prophet and Marxism is not a religion. If we based ourselves entirely on "What Would Marx Do?" we would all shower once per month, challenge people who annoy us to duels, and drink excessively.

[–] Ram_The_Manparts@hexbear.net 74 points 2 months ago (1 children)

If we based ourselves entirely on "What Would Marx Do?" we would all shower once per month, challenge people who annoy us to duels, and drink excessively.

I mean

[–] Mardoniush@hexbear.net 48 points 2 months ago (1 children)

In our communist society, we will have one pair of pants for everyone and the only thing you will be able to do with it is pawn it.

[–] buh@hexbear.net 32 points 2 months ago

They only thing you will be able to do with the communal pants is shit in it

[–] sharkfucker420@lemmy.ml 40 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

we would all shower once per month, challenge people who annoy us to duels, and drink excessively.

You don't?

[–] ProfessorOwl_PhD@hexbear.net 24 points 2 months ago

So what you're saying is that if I stop showering I'll be just like Karl?

[–] huf@hexbear.net 81 points 2 months ago (2 children)

founding-fatheritis. this obsession with what a historical figure would've said about a current thing. if marx were alive, he wouldnt support hamas, he'd be 206 years old and begging us to kill him.

[–] barrbaric@hexbear.net 54 points 2 months ago

Actually I think you'll find that if Marx were alive today that he would be my friend and constantly say how cool and right I am.

[–] BodyBySisyphus@hexbear.net 28 points 2 months ago

Discovering the concept of the American Civil Religion feels like becoming aware of the Matrix. It explains so many takes that seem like off-the-wall gibbering otherwise.

[–] robinn_@hexbear.net 60 points 2 months ago (5 children)

If [Marx] had stuck to his ideological guns, he might very well have framed it as an assault by religious fanatics on the collective settlements of the working class.

After all, what is Hamas but a group of religious extremists, and Marx had no use for religion – it was, as he famously said, the "opiate" of the masses. On the other hand, the kibbutzim of Be'eri, Nahal Oz, Re'im, Kfar Azza, Nirim, Zikim and Holot bore the brunt of the attack. Although they are not the products of the violent revolution Marx looked forward to, in many respects they are in microcosm the kind of society he envisioned.

A recent essay by Alan Johnson in the online journal Fathom describes how the left made the transformation from class to racial warfare. Part of this, he says, is due to Islamist and postmodern/identitarian ideas, but a major element is what he calls "post-Trotsky Trotskyism." At various times these substitutes were Stalinism itself, a vast array of anti-Western governments ranging from Maoist China to the Islamic Republic of Iran, and Third World liberation movements. They were all deemed "progressive" no matter what they preached or practiced in what Johnson calls an "increasingly bizarre substitutionism when it came to the identification of and support for 'objectively revolutionary' agencies." Johnson doesn't mention this, but class warfare, which was supposed to cut across racial differences, was pushed to the side. Race, ethnicity and even gender became the be-all and end-all of progressive politics.

cognitohazard were-gonna-kill-you

[–] rhubarb@hexbear.net 52 points 2 months ago (2 children)

High school essay ass writing, the opiate quote does not even make sense here, it's not like Marx thought opium was bad because it made you fight against your oppression

[–] ClimateChangeAnxiety@hexbear.net 32 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

The author has internalized the war on drugs, and thinks “opium” is a synonym for “addictive bad thing.” I bet they didn’t even consider the possibility that it meant a sedative/painkiller with no real value judgement attached.

[–] LaBellaLotta@hexbear.net 26 points 2 months ago

Yeah I mean this is not an uncommon misconception but All the more reason for this ostensible person of letters to do even a little bit of fucking reading and analysis. The opiate of the masses quote actually explains exactly why Marx WOULD have supported Hamas. This writer would get that if they weren’t intellectually lazy and deeply unserious

[–] Belly_Beanis@hexbear.net 45 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Islamist and postmodern/identitarian ideas

Hitler particles detected. We have gone so deep into the antisemitism we have "Islamic-Trotskyism" instead of Judeo-Bolshevism.

They really can't help themselves, can they?

[–] imogen_underscore@hexbear.net 7 points 2 months ago

right wing in France have been saying "Islamo-Gauchisme" for a while now lol

[–] LaBellaLotta@hexbear.net 36 points 2 months ago

Misunderstanding the “opiate of the masses” quote isn’t surprising but goddamn I feel like that is such entry level shit to even be reaching for. Marx probably had a lot of other actually vitriolic things to say about religion and it’s practitioners if this author was not a lazy and uninteresting POS!

[–] bloubz@lemmygrad.ml 35 points 2 months ago

This writer smokes crack at breakfast

[–] Mardoniush@hexbear.net 34 points 2 months ago

Fuck he didn't even read the first page of the manifesto.

[–] kittin@hexbear.net 57 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Marx, in his own lifetime, supported indigenous militant movements against colonialists including supporting their right to target “civilian” colonists, such as the Indian Sepoy uprising.

[–] Frank@hexbear.net 53 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Most of the "Do you support HAMAS?!?!" dipshits believe Hamas is all Palestinians, and that Hamas is a racist caricature of "Islamic Terrorism". Like, you ask a random People of NATO on the street what they think Hamas is, they're going to give you a reply taken straight from racist Charlie Hebdo (may they rest in piss) comics.

[–] bloubz@lemmygrad.ml 34 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I didn't know Charlie Hebdo and this attack were known globally. But worse than their cliché racist comics were all the people saying "Je suis Charlie" (I am Charlie) and having that as a profile picture on Facebookkk

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[–] WittyProfileName2@hexbear.net 52 points 2 months ago

What is now happening to Marx’s theory has, in the course of history, happened repeatedly to the theories of revolutionary thinkers and leaders of oppressed classes fighting for emancipation. During the lifetime of great revolutionaries, the oppressing classes constantly hounded them, received their theories with the most savage malice, the most furious hatred and the most unscrupulous campaigns of lies and slander. After their death, attempts are made to convert them into harmless icons, to canonise them, so to say, and to hallow their names to a certain extent for the “consolation” of the oppressed classes and with the object of duping the latter, while at the same time robbing the revolutionary theory of its substance, blunting its revolutionary edge and vulgarising it.

lenin-heisenberg

[–] Chapo_is_Red@hexbear.net 48 points 2 months ago

Marx supported the Sepoy Uprising in 1857. In this revolution, Indians of various communities and religions attempted to restore the feudal institution of the Mughal emperor. During this event, Indian revolutionaries were accused of various atrocities by the British and were brutally put down violence orders of magnitude greater.

[–] FuckyWucky@hexbear.net 45 points 2 months ago

Yea where did the secular opposition to Israel go? thinking-about-it

[–] WittyProfileName2@hexbear.net 38 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

I go on a rant here, it gets weirdMartin Luther King's body now lacks its organs, they've been scooped out, replaced with hay and potpourri. The bones drilled at the joints so wires can be tied through, allowing articulation now his dessicated tendons are of no use. His skin is patched with leather in the places it has split, weathering and formaldehyde makes it hard to see the seams. String is looped around his limbs and head at various places, snaking up above the stage.

Jerkily he struts about the stage, dancing and parading about as he sings aloud his condemnation.

There was a crowd here once, raucous to hear how the rebels of today are of a different breed; evil, violent, uncivil, and unjust in their cause. But now it has thinned, scant collections of men in suits who stop by to cheer on their lunch break.

The marionette man looks upon his empty square, paper tumbling in the wind. He picks up his shovel, and with a sigh lopes away. There is much work to be done before his next show.

I love (hate) this 100-com

[–] SpiderFarmer@hexbear.net 33 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Idk, libs love calling Marx an antisemite...

[–] SkingradGuard@hexbear.net 34 points 2 months ago

Marx for fascists is simultaneously a duplicitous Jew and an anti-Semite.

[–] blight@hexbear.net 32 points 2 months ago

Even if you think Hamas are that islamist terrorist caricature, “We will make no excuses for the terror” was pretty straightforward.

[–] WhatDoYouMeanPodcast@hexbear.net 20 points 2 months ago

Opinion: fuck you, dumbass

[–] CliffordBigRedDog@hexbear.net 18 points 2 months ago (1 children)

i wonder if Marx wrote anything about the Zionist movement of his time

[–] PaulSmackage@hexbear.net 10 points 2 months ago

The modern Zionist movement was in its infancy in the last years of Marx's life. However, one of its ideological founders, Moses Hess, was one of his contemporarys, and after having a falling out, was criticized alongside many of the other Young Hegelians in Marx's hatepost The German Ideology.

[–] boiledfrog@hexbear.net 15 points 2 months ago

Opinion discarded

[–] plumbercraic 14 points 2 months ago

Here is an archive link to the article.