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[-] megopie@lemmy.blahaj.zone 22 points 1 day ago

It’s so bizarre to see this discussion play out on the basis of “health”

Because there is a legitimate discussion to be had about the economics of how milk pasteurization requirements have affected local dairy farms. How the unsanitary conditions of industrial scale milk production have made it a necessity. How marketing and corporate interests have shifted consumption patterns.

And yet these fucking dipshits have turned this in to “pasteurized milk personally harms you!” In grifter circles.

How screwed are we that we can’t talk about the complexities of how corporate farming practices have effected our food supplies with out couching it in terms of “health food”.

I cannot express how much I hate the term “health food”. There is no such fucking thing as a “health food”.

It makes me want to rip my hair out when these topics come up.

[-] immutable@lemm.ee 3 points 1 day ago

This problem has always bugged me writ large as well. It seems nearly impossible to have any conversation that looks at the bigger picture of things in a complete and nuanced way.

Take for example employment rates. It’s just taken as a given that high employment is the goal. But stop and think about that for a second. In any other part of your life is your goal to completely saturate all time with labor? No, obviously not.

But the goals are set and we must achieve them. More money next quarter than last quarter, it doesn’t matter if every conceivable customer already has a subscription, we must grow. Make the product cheaper to make, charge more, do anything but consider that we might have picked stupid goals.

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[-] Kolanaki@yiffit.net 31 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

I've seen some shit claiming pasteurization is harmful and I just have to ask if the people who believe that know what pasteurization even is, because how the hell does boiling it make it harmful? Shit... If boiling milk makes it toxic, you better stay away from cheese. And a lot of baked goods. Creamy soups. Pasta dishes. Etc.

[-] Luccus@feddit.org 26 points 2 days ago

Not even fully boiling. To quote Wikipedia, because I'm lazy:

The liquid moves in a controlled, continuous flow while subjected to temperatures of 71.5 °C (160 °F) to 74 °C (165 °F), for about 15 to 30 seconds, followed by rapid cooling to between 4 °C (39.2 °F) and 5.5 °C (42 °F).

Literally 30 seconds of "pretty hot". And people are risking serious illness, even death, over some mythical beliefs about how nutrition works.

[-] watersnipje@lemmy.blahaj.zone 14 points 2 days ago

This is the whole “gluten is poison” (for people not actually intolerant to gluten) all over again. Those people also had no idea that it was just wheat protein.

[-] Empricorn@feddit.nl 66 points 2 days ago

Louis Pasteur is rolling in his grave...

[-] uis@lemm.ee 27 points 2 days ago

He is boiling in his grave. Probably milk.

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[-] GreatAlbatross@feddit.uk 37 points 2 days ago

Damn.
I didn't have "Raw Milk encouraged by the US govt. causes second pandemic in 5 years" on my bingo card for 2025.

[-] LiveLM@lemmy.zip 8 points 2 days ago

I'm not ready for Moovid...

[-] GreatAlbatross@feddit.uk 6 points 1 day ago

I like to moovid, moovid.

[-] Jimmycrackcrack@lemmy.ml 5 points 1 day ago
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[-] iAvicenna@lemmy.world 61 points 2 days ago

Crazy how if it was any democrat saying drink raw milk s/he would likely be accused of a conspiracy in which he is trying to spread bird flu so they can have another pandemic and vaccine manufacturers make money out of it. But when a republican says it, s/he is probably celebrated for using the wisdom of our grand grand parents.

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[-] TriflingToad@sh.itjust.works 26 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

For the other non scientists here is a good article explaining what "raw milk" is. https://www.uclahealth.org/news/article/dangers-raw-milk-arise-bacteria

TLDR: they boil milk to nuke bacteria, "raw milk" is what they call milk that hasn't had that happen and is dangerous, especially considering recent events.

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[-] cows_are_underrated@feddit.org 69 points 2 days ago

Am i seeing this right, that you can buy raw milk in grocery stores? What the fuck?

Raw milk gets bad way to fast in order to sell it in a grocery store.

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[-] Facebones@reddthat.com 20 points 2 days ago

Food safety is communism!

[-] beebarfbadger@lemmy.world 21 points 2 days ago

Maybe ingest it and then use UV light or inject bleach. I hear Ivermectin helps against everything.

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[-] intensely_human@lemm.ee 14 points 2 days ago

There is a way. Just mix it with equal parts hard liquor.

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[-] SkunkWorkz@lemmy.world 28 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Is this why Mister Brain Worms wants to sell raw milk? So bird flu spreads since worms hate birds

[-] baropithecus@lemmy.world 46 points 2 days ago

I'm told that if you mix in some bleach, it'll "do a tremendous number" on the pathogens.

[-] frank@lemmy.world 5 points 1 day ago

And I'm and American in Colombia where they pasteurize the milk to the point where it is stored at room temperature.

[-] IcyToes@sh.itjust.works 1 points 15 hours ago

UHT milk tastes disgusting though. Not sure if it's the additives here in the UK.

Pasteurization is a wonderful thing however.

[-] dohpaz42@lemmy.world 178 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

I bet the solution is so fast, it’s past your eyes before you know it.

Edit: for anybody who is hearing impaired.

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[-] mosiacmango@lemm.ee 131 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

Fun fact:

The dairy was fined in 2023 for a Salmonella outbreak and is very militantly anti-government.

The why seems pretty clear.

[-] M0oP0o@mander.xyz 69 points 2 days ago

Wonder if they tried heating the milk up to 63 degrees C for 30 mins before consumption?

Maybe that would help.

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