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[–] Akuchimoya@startrek.website 15 points 10 hours ago

This is just one example of why Canada should not cozy up to China, as some have suggested in recent weeks. China is not an ally to Canada, to freedom, to democracy, or to human righta. We should never forget that their government held Michael Spavor and Michael Kovrig hostage. That's just what they've done to specific Canadians, they've done much worse to other people groups (Tibetans, Uighur) and their own citizens. As far as feasible, we should be avoiding China the way we are avoiding the USA. China is more enemy than friend.

[–] ToastedPlanet@lemmy.blahaj.zone 24 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

Wow, that sucks. Canada is having a rough time of it with the current Chinese and US dictatorships. Hopefully we'll do something about that in the US.

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[–] Kyle_The_G@lemmy.world 8 points 10 hours ago (1 children)
[–] ToastedPlanet@lemmy.blahaj.zone 6 points 9 hours ago

Very true. Modi sucks too!

[–] Sunshine@lemmy.ca 10 points 12 hours ago (3 children)

China must be pressured to drop the death penalty.

[–] avidamoeba@lemmy.ca 4 points 11 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago)

While I agree with the sentiment in general, this is practically impossible in the foreseeable future. I think it's time to turn the page on our relations with most of the world and drop the self-harming attempts to pressure this or that partner on moral grounds. Over the last little while it's become clear that almost everyone is hypocrite of some degree and I don't think anyone buys virtue signalling coming from us or anyone else anymore. I'm not saying that virtue signalling is always bad, I mean it in this context, especially when dealing with well established strong governments. Instead we should engage on material issues, and when possible frame moral issues as material based on their material impact, behind closed doors. Expecting that China, or Saudi Arabia, countries with different culture and history are going to get pressured into accepting our moral compass isn't realistic and I think it's conterproductive. Not to mention that their people may very well disagree with it, which means pressuring them to accept it could be anti-democratic. Do we know that Chinese people don't want the death penalty? I know that I'm not reacting positively at the US pressuring Canada into accepting their views on some stuff.

[–] Lemmist@lemm.ee 3 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

You can train it on the USA prior "pressuring" China. You know, similar cultures. Should be easier, huh?

[–] Sunshine@lemmy.ca 1 points 11 hours ago

Both should drop it.

[–] Wabbitsmiles@lemmy.world 2 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

Like condemning ever pressured anyone to do anything

[–] Sunshine@lemmy.ca 3 points 11 hours ago

It would build the case to boycott China.