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[–] BeefandSquints@lemmy.dbzer0.com 152 points 2 months ago (3 children)

I fear that bullying is actually necessary to keep tech bro types from reaching this level of confidence in their bullshit.

[–] Catoblepas@piefed.blahaj.zone 40 points 2 months ago (1 children)

They could just take a few humanities classes and think about them, but no, they want to do it the hard way.

[–] BeefandSquints@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 2 months ago

That is also very true!

[–] Xenny@lemmy.world 22 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (2 children)

Shunning people is actually a very helpful societal tool. It it's unfortunately used a lot by hyper conservatives to the point where left-leaning people don't find it acceptable to shun others. No we fucking shunning up in this bitch. All the fucking assholes, racists, hyper capitalist scum. Shun them all. They shouldn't get to fucking show their faces in society and feel good about themselves. They should always feel like everybody around them hates them because we do and they should understand that. If they don't want to have that feeling then they should have to self-reflect and change.

[–] Anivia@feddit.org 9 points 2 months ago

Make nazis afraid again

[–] Dasus@lemmy.world 3 points 2 months ago

Shunning people is actually a very helpful societal tool.

If it was only done by moral people to immoral people, sure.

As it strands, it's done by popular people to different people. Which is very different from the first one.

[–] a_non_monotonic_function@lemmy.world 5 points 2 months ago (3 children)

Please, just leave that actual nerds alone.

Tech bros are capitalists/fascists. The scientists just want to keep progress going.

[–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 6 points 2 months ago

Please, just leave that actual nerds alone.

Tech bros exploit nerds.

[–] WizardofFrobozz@lemmy.ca 2 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Actual nerds would be fighting back.

They hate our science, they hate that we are teaching, they hate that we are left wing... we are fighting back by existing.

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[–] TabbsTheBat@pawb.social 65 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Hey! That's insulting to dumpster juice. At least that produces value to scavengers and microbes and shit

[–] homes@piefed.world 43 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

It’s also the critical fuel used by most time travel devices. So…

[–] otacon239@lemmy.world 24 points 2 months ago

I love that shot so much. I love that he empties the can first, and then throws the whole thing in. There’s a reason this is my favorite movie.

[–] HotsauceHurricane@lemmy.world 59 points 2 months ago (3 children)

I love art. That’s why I hate ai. There was no effort put in, no time no practice nothing human that makes art great. Generative AI is stupid.

[–] Demdaru@lemmy.world 22 points 2 months ago (7 children)

I like art. But tying effort, time or practice to art is absolute bullshit. Creative expression. Creating something out of nothing. Putting part of your own mind onto a medium. It's beautiful.

And then we get AI going full Frankenstein monster on art.

[–] Tigeroovy@lemmy.ca 12 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Okay but creative expression and creating something out of nothing is effort, time, and practice.

The amount of effort, time, and practice may vary but it’s still obviously present in actual art.

Using generative ai to create content is devoid of even the slightest amount of effort put in.

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[–] jj4211@lemmy.world 5 points 2 months ago (3 children)

Yeah, it's not so much about the difficulty or the practice, it's in the innate lack of precision that AI offers to manifest any meaningfully specific artistic vision. Whatever vision the creator might have has to be compromised to accept the closest match AI could come up with.

[–] aesthelete@lemmy.world 5 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (3 children)

A definition of art that I liked basically said that art is about creative expression through a medium. Whether that expression is done poorly or well is irrelevant. AI "art" doesn't really express anything except "here's a possible thing I could make in response to this prompt".

The prompts themselves are more creative and more artistic than any of the outputs, and I wonder if they could even be copyrightable.

[–] jj4211@lemmy.world 2 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Right, sounds like someone writing a book versus making a movie adaptation. The book has me fill in the gaps, which can in many cases be more satisfying than whatever the film adaptation comes up with, but sometimes a film adaptation executed well adds something. However a hypothetical book-to-film AI would be utterly mind numbingly uninspiring, and I would just take the prompt and use my own imagination to generate what I'd like more.

[–] aesthelete@lemmy.world 3 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

It's been fairly obvious to me for some time that a website where people shared the prompts instead of (or alongside of) the output, and that allowed you to hit a generate button to get different versions would be way fucking cooler than a seemingly infinite scroll of uninspired, uncanny, single generation outputs.

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[–] racketlauncher831@lemmy.ml 4 points 2 months ago

Creativity is one part, but knowing the artist put in tremendous effort on making it adds a crucial piece on it.

[–] exasperation@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 2 months ago (1 children)

But tying effort, time or practice to art is absolute bullshit.

Agreed.

Effort, time, and practice can be important to the art itself. Filmmakers love long one-shot scenes because it's an impressive technical achievement and the end result is often made more interesting because of just how it was made. There are authors and sculptors and filmmakers and composers who created masterpieces that were only made possible by the decades of experience they've accumulated. For example, Tolkien's pre-LOTR career is a fascinating look at how he eventually acquired all the tools to be able to create a compelling narrative in a world he created.

But it's by no means required, or always better, to have the high effort or high skill option over a lower effort or lower skill artwork. Sometimes additional effort is a waste, or counterproductive. Sometimes there's beauty in the low skill or constrained or rushed option.

Art is a creative process, and any of the little factors can matter, but very few of the factors always matter. It's a "you know it when you see it" thing.

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[–] kamen@lemmy.world 4 points 2 months ago (2 children)

I'd argue that there was human effort put in to develop it and make it learn how it's learning now - but it shouldn't be used to copy others' art and make "art" on its own. Instead I'd really like it to see help diagnose and treat diseases, prevent crime and things like that. Ultimately it should be a tool to enhance human reasoning, not something to replace human creativity.

[–] jj4211@lemmy.world 3 points 2 months ago

The issue with 'AI' is that it is so broad.

So we have Generative AI and other AI.

So when you talk about developing disease treatment, to the extent that AI is involved, it's not Generative AI, some other machine learning techniques, with limitations. E.g. AlphaFold is pretty good at predictions for some proteins, but will fall apart for certain classes. Useful with limitations.

When you have help diagnose, then maybe you are in generative AI territory, and maybe useful to help find medical research that is relevant the doctor could not have kept with on their own, however it shouldn't be a crutch, and getting caught up in trying to get an answer out of LLM can be just as bad as trying to get a sane answer out of it for anything else. So maybe useful if the Doctor's think it's supremely stupid but it did manage to identify actually relevant source material for an unrecognized problem. Other than LLM, then maybe the more 'traditional' AI approaches can help with things like quick check on imaging that might have otherwise been skipped (if we actually had enough quality, labeled stuff for asymptomatic problems in scans, which I don't think we do). Might be able to identify more complex patterns in bloodwork, but again, would have to be trained in nuanced ways I don't think we are equipped to do.

Prevent crime is a tough one. I don't think I've seen anything resembling success above and beyond a human understanding of crime frequencies in an area, which is generally self-evident by looking at a map of incident reports without an AI saying anything. I know they tried to predict recidivism based on data about a subject, but that was a colossal failure.

The general conundrum is that generative AI is unreliable and not generally more magical than a pretty dumb human taking a look at fairly obvious visualizations. You need use cases where you have some potential improvement that wasn't worth human attention prior. For example, hypothetically, if you needed to search for a literal needle in a haystack, an effort that human-wise wouldn't be worth it, an AI approach could help you maybe find it. It might identify a hundred straws of hay as needles and may even miss the needle entirely, but there's at least some chance it brings the problem down to practical reach of a human, so long as it's not that important if the needle can't be found anyway.

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[–] ShaggySnacks@lemmy.myserv.one 2 points 2 months ago

I hate AI because when art is created by people. The artist is relying upon previous influence, their experiences, their artistic vision, etc.

Current AI just vomits everything. AI doesn't have the ability to actually think.

[–] foodandart@lemmy.zip 38 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (2 children)

Had a friend that worked for the waste management department of a nearby coastal town.

One day they were picking up the 55 gallon drums the city used a waste bins on the main street. They usually had small holes drilled in the bottom so as to let water and whatever wet that got in the barrels drain (yes, they did have industrial bin liners in them, but invariably someone would throw in a bottle and it would break and poke holes through, so there was always soupy garbage goo in the bottom..)

Did I mention the barrels usually had holes drilled in them?

Not this one.

Friend was lifting it onto the rack body municipal truck and the kid on the truck grabs the bottom of the barrel that is sitting on the lip of the truck bed and tilts it back… so the sludge runoff runs out, right into friend’s face - as he is telling the kid to watch out as the bottom of that barrel seems a bit wet..

Straight into his mouth, nose and eyes.. It was shades of the Toxic Avenger, as he went right to the ground, choking and spluttering.

I saw him a few hours later and he’d gotten blazing drunk so as to put so much vodka into his system, no germs would survive. We agreed after much deliberation, he was either a dead man walking or he’d boosted his immunity to every disease known to man and had gained immortality.

There’s fierce chemistry and biology in dumpsters, bins and barrels.

We never found out if he was gifted immortality from the garbage soup as he was also a raging alcoholic and drank himself into liver failure a decade later. :(

[–] crank0271@lemmy.world 13 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I'm sorry to hear about your friend, but also jealous that he didn't have to live through the AI Slopocene era.

And your story is equal parts hilarious and terrifying. Bravo.

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[–] RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world 24 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I don’t necessarily hate AI art. It’s just not very good.

I hate that people think they’re “artists” because they write a prompt.

I hate that businesses are trying to replace real artists with AI.

I hate that businesses are telling me I have to see and interact with AI slop.

I hate that AI is a resource hog.

I hate that AI gets it wrong a significant amount of the time.

[–] FilthyShrooms@lemmy.world 23 points 2 months ago

I hate AI "art" most because it's trained using other people's artwork without their permission. Not only is the end product bad and soulless, but it's also built on stolen artwork

[–] IAmNorRealTakeYourMeds@lemmy.world 22 points 2 months ago (2 children)

correction, at best, AI art is a mashup of ALL the art humanity ever made. 90% of it is bad, much of that is garbage. yeah, even by that logic AI sucks

[–] TheOakTree@lemmy.zip 4 points 2 months ago (1 children)

And "all of the best art" is not enough training data. If it was, diffusion models would probably have very rigid outputs.

[–] IAmNorRealTakeYourMeds@lemmy.world 4 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Also, mashing "the best stuff" together is not a good thing.

If I work on a Detroit assembly line, putting wheels on Cadillacs. And I have the idea to steal me a car from the factory, but so I do not get caught I take one piece a time. I figure I will have all the parts by the time I retire. Now, up to now my plan went all right

'Til we tried to put it all together one night

And that's when we noticed that something was definitely wrong

The transmission was a '53

And the motor turned out to be a '73

And when we tried to put in the bolts all the holes were gone

So we drilled it out so that it would fit

And with a little bit of help with an adapter kit

We had that engine runnin' just like a song

Now the headlight' was another sight

We had two on the left and one on the right

But when we pulled out the switch all three of 'em come on

The back end looked kinda funny too

But we put it together and when we got through

Well, that's when we noticed that we only had one tail-fin

About that time my wife walked out

And I could see in her eyes that she had her doubts

But she opened the door and said, "Honey, take me for a spin"

So we drove up town just to get the tags

And I headed her right on down main drag

I could hear everybody laughin' for blocks around

But up there at the courthouse they didn't laugh

'Cause to type it up it took the whole staff

And when they got through the title weighed 60 pounds

I got it one piece at a time

And it didn't cost me a dime

You'll know it's me when I come through your town

I'm gonna ride around in style

I'm gonna drive everybody wild

'Cause I'll have the only one there is around

Ugh! Yeah, Red Ryder

This is the Cotton Mouth

In the Psycho Billy Cadillac come on

Huh, This is the Cotton Mouth

And negatory on the cost of this mow-chine there Red Ryder

You might say I went right up to the factory

And picked it up, it's cheaper that way

Ugh!, what model is it?

Well, It's a '49, '50, '51, '52, '53, '54, '55, '56, '57, '58' 59' automobile

It's a '60, '61, '62, '63, '64, '65, '66, '67, '68, '69, '70 automobile

[–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 2 points 2 months ago

90% of it is bad

In accordance with Sturgeon's law.

[–] AdolfSchmitler@lemmy.world 21 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Fucking clanker apologists

[–] homes@piefed.world 9 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)
[–] Darkcoffee@sh.itjust.works 19 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I'm ready to bet that was on LinkedIn.

[–] bus_factor@lemmy.world 7 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

It certainly has LinkedIn energy, but that screenshot is not from LinkedIn. They have multiple reaction emojis, whatever this is only has a heart.

[–] dublet@lemmy.world 6 points 2 months ago

I think that's the Threads UI.

[–] RockBottom@feddit.org 17 points 2 months ago (1 children)

In some minds culture has already been replaced with technology.

[–] IAmNorRealTakeYourMeds@lemmy.world 9 points 2 months ago (1 children)

corporate slop has been replacing culture for over a century, this isn't new

[–] FlyingCircus@lemmy.world 5 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Capitalism commodifies everything.

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[–] Kolanaki@pawb.social 9 points 2 months ago

Art is an expression of thought and emotion.

Ergo, images and video generated by AI do not count as art, since they have no thought or emotion.

[–] noname_yet2077@lemmy.world 8 points 2 months ago
[–] FrChazzz@lemmus.org 5 points 2 months ago (1 children)

And therein lies the problem: Diffusion and Large Language models (and their, heh, clanker ilk) cannot originate anything. All they can do is remix what’s already there. It’s ultimately stagnation in creativity (which, to be fair, is what we’ve largely been seeing in capitalist-owned media the last couple decades or so, with the proclivity toward remakes/reboots, etc.)

[–] ech@lemmy.ca 5 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

"Capitalist-owned media" has never, and will never, define or epitomize creativity. Their only purpose is to acquire, remix, and drain existing creative work for their own profit. Even with emerging generative technology, these corporations are doing the same as they've always done (far longer than a couple decades), so looking to them as a barometer of how creative people are or can be is beyond foolish, and is further insulting to actual creatives, who won't be diminished or eliminated by this programmatic slop.

Aah, yes, true creativity. When you suck up the efforts of actual creatives and then regurgitate it back to people.

[–] lechekaflan@lemmy.world 4 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

That guy -- whether real or bot -- simping those techbros. I swear his profile description will be full of talk about him being an "investor", "influencer", "brand ambassador" of some whiz-bang tech, along with mentions of funny money, AI, and "web3". Yeah, and they tend to frequently comment around at any celebrity having a Twitter presence or some "trending" post, regardless of the language.

Goddamn narcissists.

[–] SkunkWorkz@lemmy.world 5 points 2 months ago

This account’s handle is controlla.xyz he sells AI voices

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