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[–] Cowbee@hexbear.net 4 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)

It's intending to obscure the capitalist relation. The farmer is petty bourgeois (and practically non-existent, agriculture in many countries is extremely proletarianized these days). The loom worker is proletarian, the capitalist A is turning 4 dollars in wool, 1 dollar in tax, and 2 dollars in labor power for 1 dollar in profit. The sewer is also proletarian, the capitalist B turns 8 dollars in raw materials + 1 dollar tax + 2 dollars labor power into 1 dollar in profit.

Capitalist A and B both make 1 dollar in profit per commodity produced, and so redirect that towards expansion of production with the remainder of their money after covering their necessities. Both proletarians along the supply chain had 1 dollar stolen from them per commodity produced in surplus value, and the "Marxist" at the end is a strawman.

Finally, cost of maintaining the tools used and purchasing new ones I am assuming is a part of the "raw materials" category.

[–] SevenSkalls@hexbear.net 1 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

I know this is mostly talking about surplus value, but it also really obscures the levers of power here. Generally, the worker doesn't get some money and then give some to the capitalist unless they're petty bourgeois. Most often the worker does the work, the money goes to the capitalist, and the capitalist decides which amount to give out to the worker, doing the calculation enough to pay them the least amount necessary.

The capitalist is the one that not only decides what loom or sewing machine to buy, but whether the worker can stay employed, what benefits they get, how long they work and when they get breaks, how to expand the business, they pay the state to help decide who gets taxed and how much and how those taxes are spent, and more.

[–] Cowbee@hexbear.net 1 points 1 week ago

Yep, well-said! It's deliberately to make it seem like capitalism is an exclusively voluntary and equal system.

[–] Evilsandwichman@hexbear.net 1 points 1 week ago (1 children)

The sewer is also proletarian

Yup, and I hear they're....grate

[–] Cowbee@hexbear.net 1 points 1 week ago
[–] tombruzzo@hexbear.net 4 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Ah yes, the textile industry, which Marx famously had no association with

[–] kristina@hexbear.net 4 points 1 week ago

He definitely didn't write hundreds of pages of screed about it, no sir

[–] Dort_Owl@hexbear.net 4 points 1 week ago (1 children)
[–] Posadas@hexbear.net 4 points 1 week ago (1 children)

What's more capitalist than claming credit derived from an environmentally destructive process built on stealing from workers (in this case artist that had their work fed into the plagiarism box)?

To be fair whomever shat out such a shitty corpoart that served as a base for this thing deserve worse than having it stolen.

[–] ghosts@hexbear.net 3 points 1 week ago (1 children)

"The seamstress pays a capitalist $1 for every sweater she makes by herself"

"Why is a capitalist profiting from her labor?"

"I'm gonna tell Grok to make you look like a clown in my AI comic"

[–] red_giant@hexbear.net 4 points 1 week ago

The seamstress broke her finger and now must starve

[–] shath@hexbear.net 3 points 1 week ago

not one mention of a bolt of linen in the manifesto. not a one

[–] blunder@hexbear.net 2 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I don't see a capitalist doing a lick of work in these images, not sure where this $1 is going. Even in their propaganda it's like, "I just steal from the fruits of your labor"

[–] Damarcusart@hexbear.net 1 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Reminds me of the "Landlords don't actually make that much profit off of you, it's actually pretty low amounts really."

Like, that's not the point. It doesn't matter if we're only being exploited "a little" we're still being exploited.

The landlord also owns the property, meaning all the money you give them is either profit or paying off a loan and building equity, while for you it's gone.

[–] StillNoLeftLeft@hexbear.net 2 points 1 week ago (2 children)

What a great example of a multi-unserious argument that would take a lot of time and effort to debunk so nobody bothers.

I guess AI is great for making these, it's like an automated debate perverting/mansplaining machine.

[–] Cowbee@hexbear.net 2 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Really, it's easy to debunk. In short, the parts where the "worker pays the capitalist" are the parts where surplus value is extracted by capitalists A & B, there are many, many more workers per capitalist than the frames imply so this extraction is on a greater scale, and the "Marxist" at the end is a strawman.

[–] StillNoLeftLeft@hexbear.net 2 points 1 week ago (1 children)

But you are Cowbee, the theory wizard. It's a lot harder for a garden variety marxist like me.

Thank you for being awesome and actually bothering with these. cat-com

[–] Cowbee@hexbear.net 1 points 1 week ago

That's far too kind, I'm still a novice but I appreciate the flattery! Thank you!

[–] chgxvjh@hexbear.net 1 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Yeah but if you don't put it in a comic how am I supposed to understand what you mean by that?

[–] Dort_Owl@hexbear.net 1 points 1 week ago

I'm sure one of the many reasons the right keeps forcing AI is because of its potential as a propaganda tool

[–] LeeeroooyJeeenkiiins@hexbear.net 2 points 1 week ago (1 children)

"Pay $1 to capitalist" okay now what if you actually paid the entire value of the product to the capitalist and only got paid a wage 1/100th the value of the wool you produce because that's what actually happens

[–] Cowbee@hexbear.net 2 points 1 week ago

Even if we play by their numbers, the workers are still getting robbed and the capitalists are still making bank. This is why arguments saying capitalists just need to pay better wages and everything will be alright are wrong.

[–] mayo_cider@hexbear.net 1 points 1 week ago (1 children)

According to numbers I made up your analysis is incorrect

[–] calmblue75@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 week ago

Samuelson version 2.0

[–] BeanisBrain@hexbear.net 1 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

I like how even in their own construct the worker loses a full third of the value they would've taken home to the capitalist

Imagine if every worker got a 33% pay rise tomorrow

[–] came_apart_at_Kmart@hexbear.net 1 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

well, the global commodity price for fine wool right now is about $0.15 per 100 Kg [edit: i was off by 100x, see below], and the biggest/thickest sweater will require less than 2 lbs. also, that price is up 50% over last year, so lol, the shepherd is not getting $2 on the $15 sweater even in this "high price" market.

the shepherd are making 10-15 cents on the $190-$250 designer label 100% merino wool sweater that is made in a sweatshop where workers make $1.30/hr to flip out 50 of them in an hour.

[–] Damarcusart@hexbear.net 1 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Just once I want an anti-Marxist to actually put forward an argument against Marx that shows they at least bothered to read chapter 1 of Capital, not even the whole thing, not even all of volume 1, literally just the first chapter. Hell, I'd even take an argument that shows they bothered to at least read the first paragraph.

[–] EveningCicada@hexbear.net 1 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

We simply do not know what this opaque figure, Karl Marx, really thought. Here's an essay where I postulate what his ideas were, based on right wing sources I've read

[–] calmblue75@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 week ago

but that requires willingness to learn and effort

[–] aanes_appreciator@hexbear.net 1 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)

capitalist (loom) and he claims he took EFFORT to get the AI to spit out this garbage

[–] Johnny_Arson@hexbear.net 1 points 1 week ago

Yes it is the loom he is paying....

[–] Posadas@hexbear.net 1 points 1 week ago

Artisinal market socialism?

Capitalism?

What's the difference?