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Had a heated argument with a tankie who glorified stalin and lenin. So fucking tired. The worst thing he's a discord mod of a good streamer, and i left the server because i can't be there anymore. Context: i'm russian whose grand-grandparents were repressed and forcibly relocated. Left Russia several years ago because i didn't want to support the aggressive war in Ukraine. And his american (no offense to amreicans tho) ass tried to explain me that stalin is an actual hero who singlehandedly saved Europe from fascism, and all repressed were rich "bourgeois land owners" (actually, no. but even if yes, that's a terrorism). Then he and other user started posting stupid tankie memes. Ofc they ignored my questions how LGBT+, religious groups and small nations were treated and deleted the message. I'm sick of that shit. Needed to vent somewhere.

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[–] vovchik_ilich@hexbear.net 83 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

i believe in antifascism

...that's why I condemn the nation that saved Europe from fascism

human rights

...that's why I condemn the nation with universal healthcare for everyone, guaranteed jobs, guaranteed housing, free education to the highest level, and heavy subsidizing of basics such as food or public transit

labour unions

...that's why I condemn the nation that at the time had the most unionized workforce

anti-imperialism

...that's why I condemn the sole industrialized nation in history which didn't engage in unequal exchange and which actually exported its goods to its allies at an economic disadvantage for the furthering of socialism, and which supported emancipatory and anti colonialist projects everywhere in South & Central America, Africa and Asia.

[–] SevenSkalls@hexbear.net 41 points 5 months ago (1 children)

and which supported emancipatory and anti colonialist projects everywhere in South America, Africa and Asia.

Don't forget in the Caribbean with Cuba!

[–] vovchik_ilich@hexbear.net 33 points 5 months ago

Yup, sorry, corrected to add Central America

[–] came_apart_at_Kmart@hexbear.net 73 points 5 months ago (5 children)

i don't get how people are so resistant to the notion that their great grandparents were probably assholes.

mine weren't even rich/landed. just your garden variety abusive drunks. hell, near as i can figure, one of my grandfathers was massively part-of-the-problem ulster scot who, for whatever reason, fled to the new world.

the whole story is wildly muddled, but knowing his sectarian allegiance and where he was from paints the broad strokes. guy was dead before i was born, and though no one says so, the only stories i ever heard were ones that made him unkind, even to family.

being an asshole isn't genetic. seems to me the only reason to defend ancestors is because you assume eugenics' is correct, or because you're trying to defend some inheritance claim.

i bet if we lived in a society where inheritance was more equitably distributed, nobody but the most brain dead weirdos, like monarchists and eugenics weirdos would give a shit about their great grand whoever unless they actually created something, like art.

[–] Crucible@hexbear.net 43 points 5 months ago (2 children)

I wonder if part of it comes from the awareness that the average westerner has a very cushy life, so we get solace in knowing our ancestors must have lived harder, and therefore 'earned' our position for us. Totally detatched from the reality that suffering in and of itself is not a moral good. Calvinism and its consequences, etc.

[–] PKMKII@hexbear.net 23 points 5 months ago

There’s a strong subtext to the “Irish slavery” argument that the “slavery” was good character-building for Irish-American culture.

[–] PKMKII@hexbear.net 26 points 5 months ago

Even if your great grand whatevers were fine folk, it’s still a thought terminating cliche to pull the “that regime was bad for my family” card. I have a lot of ancestors that were from the US southeast, I’m sure plenty of them got fucked up by the Union during the Civil War, but that doesn’t change the fact that the Confederacy losing was good. Hell, I have grandparents that fled Eastern Europe during WWII because they found out they were on a Soviet list. But I have the mental maturity to understand that the nascent Cold War had a scope way beyond my family.

[–] lil_tank@hexbear.net 25 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

I love my grandma but I also became aware that she participated to the colonization of Algeria and I'm not proud of it and I'm never defending her on this. Sometimes people are weirdly defensive about their familly, I don't understand why they don't treat it as part of growing up to stop idolising meemaw

[–] Belly_Beanis@hexbear.net 14 points 5 months ago

My grandmother was one of the worst people I've ever known. Definitely in the top five. She did not have an easy life, but it's no excuse for the miserable person she decided to be. She had plenty of time to correct her behavior and had many people around her providing infinite patience. It was no surprise she didn't have any friends at her funeral, only relatives.

I don't know why people have this problem where they can't realize their family members can be good parents/siblings/cousins/whatever, but terrible to everyone else. Or that good people can be shitty parents.

[–] TrustedFeline@hexbear.net 71 points 5 months ago (4 children)

(actually, no. but even if yes, that's a terrorism).

lmao

[–] SmithrunHills@hexbear.net 41 points 5 months ago (2 children)

Don't tell me their idea of a revolution is inviting the bourgeoisie to a picnic... agony-shivering

[–] Edie@hexbear.net 23 points 5 months ago

Revolution? That's violent. We'll vote

[–] ShimmeringKoi@hexbear.net 40 points 5 months ago

You did a terrorism. You did a no-growth

[–] TheLastHero@hexbear.net 26 points 5 months ago

21th century western foreign and domestic policy in a nutshell right there

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[–] dorkiectomy@hexbear.net 56 points 5 months ago

America, famously good to LGBT+ folks and small nations. Great place to be a religious group though I guess, as long as you’re some kinda Jesus cult.

[–] SmithrunHills@hexbear.net 55 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

(no offense to americans tho)

yeah that says everything I need to know about this person

[–] Rom@hexbear.net 46 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

i-think-that Full offense to amerikkkans, actually

[–] godlessworm@hexbear.net 50 points 5 months ago (2 children)

actually no, but even if yes, thats terrorism

so you admit its yes but you have misguided personal feelings about it because your own family was ‘negatively impacted’.

i cant even sympathize with people like this because their position is that in a situation where the mass of people need to be fed, where the land needs to be collectivized and utilized to achieve this, his family should have been able to keep their privately owned land. which by the very nature of them even having is an indicator of their wealth and status under the previous government

and i also want to know, as an anarchist, what this dude thinks anarchists would have done had they succeeded in their attempts at assassination and moved forward with revolt. he thinks the anarchists wouldn’t have needed to collectivize that land so people could be fed? do these people even think at all about what their views actually are or mean?

[–] ShimmeringKoi@hexbear.net 38 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (2 children)

do these people even think at all about what their views actually are or mean?

In my experience their only answer is "Well I would have not done that" while offering no ideas about what they would have done instead. Frictionless idealism untainted by contact with the demands of reality.

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[–] corgiwithalaptop@hexbear.net 29 points 5 months ago (1 children)

nd i also want to know, as an anarchist, what this dude thinks anarchists would have done had they succeeded in their attempts at assassination and moved forward with revolt. he thinks the anarchists wouldn’t have needed to collectivize that land so people could be fed? do these people even think at all about what their views actually are or mean?

Well sure, but have you considered that people combining their resources to care for a population is actually authoritarian, and authority is bad? Checkmate, tankies berdly-smug

[–] corvidenjoyer@hexbear.net 23 points 5 months ago

Lemmitor about to call Food not Bombs authoritian communist nonsense. up-yours-woke-moralists

[–] MF_COOM@hexbear.net 48 points 5 months ago

no offense to amreicans though

gulag

[–] roux@hexbear.net 46 points 5 months ago

I can’t for the life of me understand why someone would advocate for an authoritarian government

All governments are authoritarian. Thanks for coming to my RouxTalk

[–] FnordPrefect@hexbear.net 46 points 5 months ago (1 children)

geordi-no fuck tankies rule

geordi-yes Fuck! Tankies rule!

[–] Edie@hexbear.net 20 points 5 months ago

Alternatively, fuck^[say gex] tankies rule

[–] AssortedBiscuits@hexbear.net 44 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

It's all "I have political opinions from how my grandparents got owned by the Soviets" until Black people demand reparations, then it's suddenly "let bygones be bygones."

[–] SkingradGuard@hexbear.net 25 points 5 months ago

Or, "thats ancient history"

[–] ShimmeringKoi@hexbear.net 43 points 5 months ago (2 children)

That comm has "fuck tankies" up as the banner? Talk about rent-free

[–] BelieveRevolt@hexbear.net 32 points 5 months ago

Proselytization, support, or defense of authoritarianism is not welcome. This includes but is not limited to: imperialism, nationalism, genocide denial, ethnic or racial supremacy, fascism, Nazism, Marxism-Leninism, Maoism, etc.

🙄jagoff

It's funny how they separate those two things, though.

[–] corgiwithalaptop@hexbear.net 32 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Isnt that the comm that like....said HExbears arent really queer and just performing to attract new users? Or some shit like that?

[–] ShimmeringKoi@hexbear.net 27 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

Seems like everyone's an actor in the eyes of the performative

[–] Kopfrkingl@hexbear.net 38 points 5 months ago

ukraine smol bean argument

I'm tired of seeing this; at least have something creative to say.

that's a terrorism

Good that's what the bourgeois deserve

[–] StillNoLeftLeft@hexbear.net 28 points 5 months ago

Behold, the true Left:

and so on and so fourth

[–] corgiwithalaptop@hexbear.net 26 points 5 months ago

LMAO of course the OP moved to Finland

[–] SockOlm@hexbear.net 25 points 5 months ago

fuck, tankies rule!

[–] William_Nilliam@hexbear.net 21 points 5 months ago

"Fuck, tankies rule"

[–] goferking0 18 points 5 months ago

This gonna be one of those people saying they took away their nobility and that's why they hate them so much?

[–] CrawlMarks@hexbear.net 18 points 5 months ago (1 children)
[–] Collatz_problem@hexbear.net 13 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

I don't think it is a psyop, sounds exactly like an average Russian liberal.

[–] PolandIsAStateOfMind@lemmygrad.ml 14 points 5 months ago

Fuck, tankies rule!

[–] omegathrowaway@lemmy.ml 11 points 5 months ago

My grand grandparent ran away to the USSR, and my family says he was captured and forced to marry, I say bullshit

[–] gramxi@hexbear.net 10 points 5 months ago

fuck tankies upboats to the left plz jagoff