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[–] SkingradGuard@hexbear.net 62 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Why is it always people with doge pfps?

[–] blakeus12@hexbear.net 47 points 1 year ago (2 children)

because you need to be a toddler to find doge funny

[–] LaGG_3@hexbear.net 9 points 1 year ago

Hey, that's not fair to toddlers. Most of them are only fascists when they haven't had a snack or nap!

[–] CarbonScored@hexbear.net 53 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Abolish the whiteoursie class and adopt a dictatorship of the POCleteriat

[–] HauntedBySpectacle@hexbear.net 12 points 1 year ago (1 children)

No, this is Global Southism....

[–] SorosFootSoldier@hexbear.net 48 points 1 year ago

New race just dropped.

[–] FreudianCafe@lemmy.ml 44 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Can someone create a wojak but his head is the shape of a burguer please? It would be useful in situations like this

[–] Moonworm@hexbear.net 67 points 1 year ago (2 children)
[–] Flyberius@hexbear.net 32 points 1 year ago

Get this to the emoji mint

[–] CannotSleep420@lemmygrad.ml 29 points 1 year ago (3 children)
[–] RyanGosling@hexbear.net 28 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

Eagleburger is a real American name by the way

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lawrence_Eagleburger

Read his personal life section lol

[–] wtypstanaccount04@hexbear.net 29 points 1 year ago (3 children)

no fucking way

He had three sons, all of whom are named Lawrence Eagleburger

[–] PolandIsAStateOfMind@lemmygrad.ml 23 points 1 year ago (1 children)

He had three sons, all of whom are named Lawrence Eagleburger, though they have different middle names (Scott, Andrew and Jason).[28] When discussing his decision to give his three children the same first name, Eagleburger stated "It was ego," adding "and secondly, I wanted to screw up the Social Security system."

Like what the fuck

[–] emizeko@hexbear.net 9 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I hope this dipshit got upset when he learned that Social Security uses Social Security Numbers

"That's it! Next kids aren't even getting names!"

[–] Xx_Aru_xX@hexbear.net 13 points 1 year ago

I already knew who eagleburger was, but this changes everything wtf

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[–] CTHlurker@hexbear.net 12 points 1 year ago

It definitely fucked me up when I was reading the big Kissinger biography by Seymour Hersh and I kept running into warmongers with names like Morton and Eagleburger

[–] FreudianCafe@lemmy.ml 19 points 1 year ago
[–] Flyberius@hexbear.net 16 points 1 year ago

AI finally put to good use

[–] Rom@hexbear.net 22 points 1 year ago

Best we can do is cracker

[–] emizeko@hexbear.net 42 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I had a substitute for white class today, he was a real hardass and assigned extra homework

[–] Tankiedesantski@hexbear.net 13 points 1 year ago

"Everyone, don't forget to make 12 gallons of mayonnaise by next week. And Mister Johnson, I swear if you try to make a fool out of this class with your 'wasabi mayo' again so help me I will send you straight to the dean!"

[–] FlakesBongler@hexbear.net 38 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Can't stop to talk shop, I'm late for white class!

[–] TimmytheDragon@hexbear.net 29 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] Tankiedesantski@hexbear.net 16 points 1 year ago

It's nissing a comma.

"Project, liberal."

[–] Self_Hating_Moid@hexbear.net 26 points 1 year ago
[–] Skeleton_Erisma@hexbear.net 21 points 1 year ago

Shiba Inu pfp moment

[–] JamesConeZone@hexbear.net 17 points 1 year ago
[–] Lemmygradwontallowme@hexbear.net 13 points 1 year ago (1 children)

To their white surprise....

[–] FakeNewsForDogs@hexbear.net 8 points 1 year ago

You know, most of what I’ve heard about settlers has been negative, but the “white surprise” bit is just so good that it makes me want to read it anyway.

[–] SoyViking@hexbear.net 13 points 1 year ago

Fash looking at anti racists:

is-this

Is this anti-white racism?

[–] rando895@lemmygrad.ml 13 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Hold on a minute. Maybe they are right? The "white class" is an infinitely mutable class. Containing only those who are part of the imperial "in group", and excluding all others. For example, the Irish are considered white now but haven't always been. I think some Arab (brown people in white-speak) folks are considered white nowadays too.

So if the "white class" is abolished, so too is the moral superiority complex of the west. Then we can go back to the good ol' days or whatever.

I, for example, would be part of the translucent skin northerners in this Brave New World, instead of white in the current iteration of society.

[–] JamesConeZone@hexbear.net 13 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

The problem is that fundamentally misunderstands what a class is. Whiteness is a socially constructed tool used to protect and uphold the bourgeois in the imperial core and economically dominate those considered non-white, but it isn't a class in and of itself because it does not imply anything about economic production and ownership thereof or labour and its surplus.

Elimination of the bourgeois would eliminate whiteness as a social construct because the bourgeois' economic domination would end and the need to delineate white from non-white would also end, so your instincts here are right, they just needed a little nuancing.

[–] Dessa@hexbear.net 8 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Race may be a tool of the bourgoisie, but, now created, can certainly survive the death of capitalism as its own sort of zombie. Defeating capitalism is necessary step in defeating racism, but it's not the only step.

Prejudice and privilege have existed before capitalism, and race is just another vector for the realization of these two things. As long as people recognize race, there will be those that use it to exalt or diminish a people.

[–] JamesConeZone@hexbear.net 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Yes and no. As Marx argued, racism is a tool that divides the working class. Overcoming racism is essential in order to defeat capitalism. As Marx said of the English working class's views of the Irish:

Hence it is the task of the International everywhere to put the conflict between England and Ireland in the foreground, and everywhere to side openly with Ireland. It is the special task of the Central Council in London to make the English workers realise that for them the national emancipation of Ireland is not a question of abstract justice or humanitarian sentiment but the first condition of their own social emancipation.

To quote Robert Knox and Ashok Kumar's recent introduction to an issue of Historical Materialism:

Marx essentially bequeathed three points to later Marxists’ thinking about race. The first was that race and racism are deeply connected to capitalism’s spread internationally. The second was that racism is bound up with internal competition within the working class, and serves – both as a conscious project of the ruling class and directly via the labour movement – to undermine the basis for a revolutionary movement. The third was that Marx did not assign race or racism an independent causational force: it was clear that Marx did not think people were enslaved, exploited or dispossessed because of their racialisation, but rather owing to definite social conditions. The latter also points us to a significant limitation of Marx’s reflections: whilst Marx’s analysis did not ascribe any particular causational power to race, he nonetheless took for granted the existence of racial categories. As such, ‘race’ as a category was not subjected to the same historical and materialist analysis that both Marx and Engels would deploy in relation to other phenomena, and it was this task that later thinkers in the Marxist tradition sought to undertake.

But you are right that, of course, racism will also still exist after any revolution and will have to be at the forefront of the proletarian's mind.

For those interested, Knox and Kumar's article is an easy read and really helpful here: Robert Knox and Ashok Kumar. "Reexamining Race and Capitalism in the Marxist Tradition – Editorial Introduction", Historical Materialism 31 (2023): 25-48. The two special issues of Historical Materialism are here and here. Some articles are open access, but you can always email the author if you want the article.

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[–] rando895@lemmygrad.ml 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I should have been more clear. This is sarcasm (I think you would call it that). Clearly the "white class" rhetoric is idiotic, but it is possible that someone might believe a reactionary view wearing the skin of leftism, which is more or less what I wrote.

It's easy to look at problematic parts of our world ("white" lead genocidal imperialism) and believing that changing one aspect without considering the system that gave rise to our world will solve our problems. Maybe I took an advanced liberal propaganda enhancement pill before writing this lol.

The only war I wish to fight is the class war.

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[–] Dessa@hexbear.net 8 points 1 year ago

In a sense, "white class" isn't that crazy. We might better call it a "caste," but it's a socially recognized thing with its own privileges, and in some places and times, legally recognized as well.

[–] PoY@lemmygrad.ml 7 points 1 year ago

"white class" mask off

[–] mayo_cider@hexbear.net 6 points 1 year ago

They would need some class first

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