Comradeship // Freechat

Lemmy world is considering defederating from us due to the "same reasons" as Hexbear. They will go on the wall of shame, they couldn't handle our facts. But on the upside you'll see much fewer libs 😁

Also remember that you speak mostly for the audience. You talk to one person in a debate, but plenty of people listen and that's where the real reach is. We have actually already brought some people over with our arguments, as I've seen in comments and account requests. I don't want to pretend there's been dozens of people joining over this, but there's certainly been some.

edit: but you are justified in not engaging with them either.

Many such cases! You can take the redditor out of , but not the out of the redditor.

I know we're (hexbearians) not technically supposed to do this outside of our own instance, but your general level of anxiety and growing antipathy is why the 'Chapo Posting Method' was created.

It's essentially the online leftist answer to the general question posed by Sartre's Anti-Semite and Jew. If they are not going to take words and the conversation seriously (and why would they when there is no material incentive to do so, it is just a game of psychological aggrandizement to them) then you are under no obligation to do so. There are rarely any bystanders, and if there are, the point isn't to convince them that you are right, the point is to convince them that you are funny, because people habitually listen to people they find funny and make them laugh. And these redditor-types, despite their two second replies ultimately take themselves very seriously so they're easy marks for this stuff. Never be the nerd in the room.

Very relatable, I have a bunch of ex reddit trolls following me around like flies after the migration. They literally jump into every thread to attack me and downvote everything I post to lemmy.ml. Blocking them is really the only way to stay sane.

Yeah, im not reading all that tankie. Happy for you, or sorry that happened, i guess.

No but jokes aside yeah I catch myself writing something and deleting it midway when I realize what I'm doing. I think there are cases where interacting with such people is worth the effort in a gamble, you know I'm sure out of all the effortposts you've made surely a few fell on receptive ears, even if you didn't see the fruits of your labor. So as an occasional thing I think it is ultimately productive, the most receptive people will be lurkers silently reading who will take multiple interactions with "tankies" before it amounts into a change. But it definitely is not good to do as a habit.

The worst part, for me, is how aware they are that their politicians are corrupted and bad, that their police is killing innocent people, that their media is lying to them... excpet in foreign politics.

There they are always right, same people who are wrong about everything internally.

Just spam this when they start acting like cringe R*dditors:

I think if lemmy had per user instance blocking that would he nice. It would allow federation with lib instances while also allowing those who do not want lib interaction to have to deal with it.

You should under no circumstances take these people seriously. The only correct response to reddit debate bros is

Hello me, I'm you.

I've basically burned out and mostly spend my time doing my historical research and other hobbies, heck I'll even take long periods off to touch grass, sand, mountain rocks, and so forth just to actually reconnect with reality. Like I'm learning table or card games just to play with friends, coworkers, and acquaintances and delving into the whole apolitical Americana culture damn near everyone lives and I've slowly started to realize the entirety of online culture is so toxically abnormal and unhuman that telling people to touch grass has taken on a while new level of meaning.

Redditors are very easy to detect due to the fact that they use a jargon typical of that place and that they cannot avoid bringing to the rest of the internet with themselves. Stuff like saying "oh you sweet summer child", replying "this" to comments they agree with, congratulating others for their "cake day", or simply making comparisons with reddit directly ("this is exactly as it was in r/example"). There are more, and most times they are subtle, but when you see them you will know that they are people who come from reddit to turn this place into Reddit 2.

The solution? Just mock them for being redditors.

I’ve been finding myself writing paragraph or even multi paragraph responses to random people’s hot takes which they probably spent two seconds thinking through before posting, and I have been deleting them because I realized that I don’t fucking care and it’s not worth my own time, energy, or mental health.

Could be worse, could be westolefto debatebro baiting you for wall exchange who sounds at first reasonable but after you waste potentially hours on that, they will call you red fash and quote some wiki 😑

I also find it difficult to respond to a comment without writing a mini essay, not because I lack succinctness, but I find it lackluster to respond to a comment I think should be corrected with only the correction and zero justification or context. To refrain from my compulsion, I have also chosen to not debate those people. Happy you're prioritizing your mental health OP.

You should be bullying the libs tbqh

You can take the lib out of Reddit, but you can't take the Reddit out of the lib. Look after yourself, you gotta pick your battles to maintain your own sanity with these people.

I clicked the "all" tab like once because I wanted to see if Hexbear was making a splash. After that I decided that local tab was staying up. lol

Just call them white boy and move on.

I posted this comment in response to someone asking about debating and stuff. (Yeah, I just linked to my own comment.)

It basically sums up my position on the futility and ultimately the damage, for lack of a better word, you end up causing to yourself by engaging too much with people who are operating in bad faith and/or have absolutely no conscious political ideology. That doesn’t mean they don’t have an ideology of course, but you know who I mean, I think. “I’m tired of everything being political!” Types who actually mean “the world should operate in the way it always has which benefits me and I refuse to acknowledge this because it would force me to have to either advocate for change to the current system(s) or accept I’m a shitty person.”

There’s a contradiction of course between absolutely needing these people to become politically engaged in order to actually get anything accomplished and the simultaneous complete powerlessness we each ultimately hold as individuals.

Now that last part of my previous statement rubs a lot of people, in my experience anyway, in a bad way. I’m speaking realistically and objectively. What each of us chooses to do ultimately has little to no effect on the overall system. People who think otherwise… no, you don’t. The truth is change only happens through the changes of a group of individuals. And I know “so if you don’t change then you are the problem” is the knee jerk logic there. Maybe that’s true in some philosophical sense or whatever the fuck. But in reality if you are the 1/100 or more likely 1/1000, 1/10000 individual who is “doing change” guess what happens? You get fucking smashed. The reality is it doesn’t matter how much that 1/1000 screams and throws a tantrum or is nice and logical, none of it matters until a bunch of individuals, probably without a consciousness about them, start doing a thing.

That’s all incredibly abstract, and I apologize, but I’m using the abstract to illustrate reality. Maybe I’m fucking up. My only point here overall though… take it easy on yourself. If capitalism as a system is a giant dam and our goal is smash the dam until it breaks its important to remember a few things. You are just one person, working either alone or within a rather insignificant group. You pecking at the Hoover Dam of capitalism definitely is doing something, but expecting onlookers who love this hypothetical dam to just let you do it would be silly. And even if left alone, the progress you make will be tiny, essentially zero in the grand scheme. It’s probably also useful to remember that capitalism, like a dam, must be, and is, maintained by those who benefit from it otherwise nature or something else will destroy before long. What I’m saying is, capitalism is a doomed system in a long enough timeline. You are simply a possible accelerant of its destruction. (This all sounds negative with dam blowing up but whatever, make it positive somehow. Like that dam being freed in LoTR around wizard guy’s tower.)

I don’t know. This is just how I approach this stuff after a long time languishing in my own mind. There’s really little I can do as an individual, but what little I can do is still worth it in the long run. Just don’t expect to ever see results of the work you do. Do it because it gives you purpose and because you know that you are on the right side of things and you are moving pieces of sand that will lead to a better world someday.

A fresh reading of Capital (book plug time?) helped me too. I feel like I, we, build so many resentments for individuals and even towards ourselves that might be justifiable in a lot of ways but also don’t serve positive change. Kind of removing myself from the situation, like the soul of a person floating above his old body and just examining things, allowed me to see things in a way that made things more tolerable. Actually this sounds like I’m advocating for dissociation lol. Maybe I am? But controlled levels of it. You still gotta live in the world.