Everything we buy from the US is made in China anyway, so we're just cutting out the middleman.
If we can eliminate US IP protection next then we can build our own technology and do away with them completely.
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Everything we buy from the US is made in China anyway, so we're just cutting out the middleman.
If we can eliminate US IP protection next then we can build our own technology and do away with them completely.
This is a super important point. You go to Home Depot and you see something with the American flag on it. You turn it over - "Made in the USA with domestic and global materials." Read - a lot of Chinese inputs, parts and subassemblies. That along with a small markup for the fellow poorly paid American assembly worker, and a huge markup for the corporation owner. Cut the middle man and let the American worker deal with him many-on-one - something that has to happen anyways, if this shit is to ever get better.
This. I starred buying from AliExpress years back because amazon stores were just sending the exact same product for 5-10x the price. People got upset and said I wasn't supporting american entepaneurs stores they setup. Lol. And that Aliexpress owner is a billionaire. Sure, but why make Bezos rich too? Just buy direct.
Everything we buy from the US
Trump's tariffs are on things Americans buy from Canada.
I used to get nervous when I saw something like this. Now, it's like watching reruns.
I think I found the remote to change this godawful channel but the batteries are dead.
Those aren't batteries, those are bullets.
thats all trumps mind goes through reruns, of reruns.
I was thinking he'd have at least a quiet week or two after the EU mostly called his bluff.
Our deal with China was barely dipping our toes in the water. If Trump doesn't get anything substantial from Carney he'll probably lose significant ability to try anymore power plays on larger countries for the rest of his term unless he actually starts invading more countries.
Domestically he's starting to see some real pressure so he is desperate for a win.
This guy is big pissed that we said you can stand up to bullies.
What happened to the US doesn't need anything from Canada?
A week ago he said it was smart. Then it was we'll regret it. Now it's 100% tariffs and we're doomed.
Fuck off. I'm done. This man is so fucking emotionally fragile, he's like a fucking baby.
And that's not to mention that he's a pussy who'll back out as soon as some other billionaire talks to Trump.
This man is so fucking emotionally fragile, he’s like a fucking baby.
He's so emotionally fragile that he's showing the entire world there's no point trying to deal with him. He'll always change his mind tomorrow and you'll be back to square one. Why even bother? You are better off dealing with someone who understands the value of negotiating a deal and keeping promises.
Struggling to understand the logic here.
Me: "Hey, Amazon, I'm going to buy something from Target"
Amazon: "That's it! From now on everything costs twice as much for you!"
Me: "Target also has other things I need, so..."
You're making the same mistake as Trump. Tariffs aren't paid by Canadians.
It's more, "Hey Amazon, I've got all this stuff I want to sell and you've said you don't need it, and you've been altering our agreement a ton lately, unilaterally and arbitrarily, making it hard to maintain a business relationship with you. So I'm going to sell it to Target too". And then Amazon saying "That's it!! We're gonna double the price for our customers on any good you sell to us, so our customers'll probably buy less of it!!!"
So.... you sell more to Target and other vendors. Cause Amazon's actions are reducing your market viability in their selling space even further. And their idiotic random arbitrary actions, basically just re-emphasize the point you were making. Sorta like how Carney made a Davos speech about great powers bullying smaller countries, and Trump's response -- that many Americans thought was 'great!', was "Canada doesn't live without the US" -- so more bullying. Canada exports a silly amount of raw materials, which can be sold in quite a few places other than the US if the US ain't buying. Canada's spent a big chunk of 2025 building those additional trade relationships to buffer against this sort of strange behaviour from the states.
The US Administration makes very little sense these days.
Appeasement is not going to work with this guy. It's time for some allies, like Europe, to finally show some backbone and align against the US in a unified front to push back against this. If he can keep picking on one nation at a time while their allies all capitulate to avoid being targeted, everyone will suffer much worse in the end.

Thank you trump for making Carney's point for him
No appeasement
Ok, bump the cost of 20% of your oil supply by 100%, double the cost of 80% of the potash into your country. Decimate the US automotive supply chain and shut down plants in the US. Go for it! I kept thinking about Carney's speech, was it a bit over the top (ie, is this really a rupture or just a 4 year blip), but it proves without a doubt that Carney was 100% correct. The response to this is not to cowtow down to Washington trying to find a way to talk them out of this. It's to stand firm, prepare retaliation and support for industries/unemployed, and prep to make this transition for our economy once and for all. This needs to end now, we may as well pull the bandaid. It will be ugly but necessary.
Its not a blip. How can you trust America ever again. They could vote someone else in and do the same.
It's not a 4yr blip, because this isn't about Trump.
It's about the American System not being able to prevent a Trump.
For all the talk of the constitution/branches/check and balances,
It's obvious, none of it worked.
(ie, is this really a rupture or just a 4 year blip)
It's a rupture. The Canada/US relationship has been shaky this entire millennium. Many people here are probably too young to remember, but the US got mad when Canada joined the US in Afghanistan, but refused to join the next adventure in Iraq. They might have heard of Freedom Fries, but forget how the US was encouraging Americans to boycott Canadian goods because "you're either with us or you're with the terrists!"
After Bush, Obama made things somewhat normal again, but after Obama, the US elected Trump, then it was Biden, then it was Trump again. If every second president the US elects is going to try to wreck Canada's economy for not simply falling in line, the relationship is done for. Besides, any deal with the US would now be a suicide pact. The US is intent on destroying itself. You don't want to tightly integrate your economy to that of a country that is poised to collapse.
Carney changed the world with his speech in Davos, the EU canceled the their lopsided trade deal with the US. Trump Taco’d out of attacking Greenland and/or Iceland claiming he got concepts of a plan or whatever in respects to Greenland. These tariffs will last at most 11 months but hopefully only a few more weeks, the Supreme Court down there is either going to tell him his tariffs are illegal or he gets impeached.
I hope Carney does not chicken out.
Lol this is ridiculous after last week's comment from trump
“Well, it’s OK. That’s what he should be doing,” Trump told reporters Friday at the White House. “If you can get a deal with China, you should do that.”

Fuck it lets just do a free trade agreement with China. It's a bigger market anyways. They already buy alot of stuff from us.
Fuck I should find a Chinese company to distribute my own products lol.
Get fucked you orange diaper monkey, didn't you get Carney's message in Davos?
The only interaction I now have with the usa is that I am boycotting them. This will be for the rest of my life. I do not want to interact with anyone who ever voted for trump and since I am old......
Know what happens when you have so many TACOs?


He also called Carney "governor" in the same post.
It's time for this Liberal government's "Just Watch Me" moment.
Well more trade with China and the EU and Mexico then.
Just proving Carney’s point.
You don't need to prove that the US has become unreliable. But considering China as reliable is a mistake nevertheless. Beijing will engage in coercion as soon as it can (as it always does), and the propaganda machinery will then use Trump's move for vindication. The tankies here will tell everyone that China's coercion is justified because the US did it, too. Whataboutism as we know it.
Canada needs to expand trade with Europe, Australia, New Zealand, and other democratic countries.
Things from. China have been getting cheaper, while things from America go unbought.
Not the worst trend for Canadians.

Canada makes the deal with China anyway
Related: Old man needs glasses to read the writing on the wall
America is a union composed of 350 million losers led by a snuff film raping pedophile.
Anything to bankrupt the American work force even more.
Carney;s 'New World Order" clarified,
At the turn of this century, most statistical pie charts regarding nations were pretty much America 80%/RestOfWorld 20%, GDP, industrial production, wealth, control of resources, automobile production, PhD grads, best Universities, energy, military; etc, etc, etc.
Today, the pie charts are reversed. America 20%/RestOfWorld 80%.
In three decades, America went from more relevant than all other countries combined to struggling to be just the top country.
In other words, America is no longer as relevant as it was, and indeed there are lots of other countries that are just as relevant if not more so. Americans still have not got the memo, and Trump is simply trying to maintain the illusion. Americans just haven't gotten it through their heads that they are no longer top dog, and it happened in just over two decades. Americans were blindsided by the rest of the world.
Carney's message to Trump was to-the-point - America, you are a has-been country, and we Canadians intend to look to the future, and turn our attention to the countries that now matter. that will be relevant five, ten years from now.
Trump, of course, just can not swallow this pill. It is too bitter, So he is in la-la land,
The Americans will have enough trouble keeping their own country together, and the more Trump blathers, the quicker that States like California (somewhere around fifth largest country by GDP, higher than France) are better off on their own, then under an authoritarian dictator that wants to spend their wealth on buying Greenland - a place that has zero benefit to California - who is just dragging the Californian economy into the ground. Texas and New York are in the same position. When it finally hits them that they are far better off on their own than under the whims of an irrelevant Federal governance that has lost its way in the world, it will be the end of the Republic of the United (autonomous) States of America.
I fully expect that very soon, California will start signing their own trade deals and setting their own tariffs with the rest of the world. I am pretty certain that Californians know full well where their future lies. Then, Canada will be negotiating separate trade deals with individual States. It will be sudden, just like the dissolution of the USSR that dissolved essentially overnight.
Does that include electricity?
Does that include electricity?
And potash?
And crude oil?
And lumber?