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I fucking didn't.

Sure, please agitate to shut them down but seriously how the fuck do you come to this conclusion?

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[–] RangerJosey@lemmy.ml 11 points 13 hours ago

Gold Metal level mental gymnastics.

[–] MaoTheLawn@hexbear.net 23 points 15 hours ago* (last edited 15 hours ago) (1 children)

Hm. This all seems too convenient. USAID and Radio Free both becoming targets - surely they can't be that fucking stupid?

Of course there's people who really believe the shit this guy is saying, but surely many of the higher ups don't?

I have this gut feeling that USAID and RF closing up shop is all part of a new game plan. The empire allows free speech when times are easy. It clamps when competition arises. In the past year, USAID has stopped making information of it's grants public. Therefore, the govt finds USAID to be too revealing.

Perhaps wrapping it all up means they can burn some documents in the process. Maybe it's that these outlets are too compromised - in the sense that it has become more common knowledge that USAID and especially RF are state propaganda outlets. In this new war against China, they need a clean slate and a redoubled effort. Both outlets began in response to the Soviets post war - RF in 1950, USAID in 1961. Now it's China.

I will add an extra layer of lizard brained conspiracy to this - there are document declassification windows in the US. At 25 years, its easy enough to reclassify it. At 50 years, exceptions can still be made. At 75 years, you have to have a very fucking good reason.

Radio Free was setup 75 years ago. USAID 65. In coming years, more and more of RF's dirty side will be made public knowledge. A decade later so too will USAID's. This will all be coming out at the height of the coming cold war with China.

Perhaps it is wise for the govt to distance themselves from it. To be able to claim they shut it down.

The new outlets will be unknown entities.

[–] Saoirse@hexbear.net 16 points 14 hours ago

I'm as surprised as anyone that there hasn't been any sign of a swift backlash to these efforts behind closed doors, but I fear this gives our enemies too much credit. As others have commented, the Republican party is now controlled by people who have been steeped in the paranoid conspiratorial ideology fostered by past generations of conservative leadership in the hopes of maintaining a pliant base. They actually believe the absurd, ahistorical, contradictory things they say. I think it's more likely the doddering remnants of the old guard are too complacent, too accustomed to having their way with things, to react quickly enough to maintain this propaganda apparatus.

[–] Futterbinger@hexbear.net 90 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

This is the result of the cold dead-eyed pragmatist cold warriors retiring and being replaced by their failsons and faildaughters who were brought up drinking the Kool aid.

[–] vovchik_ilich@hexbear.net 42 points 18 hours ago (4 children)

I will never understand how these pragmatist cold warriors allowed for the deindustrialization of the west in favour of China.

[–] KobaCumTribute@hexbear.net 21 points 16 hours ago* (last edited 16 hours ago) (1 children)

Getting China to open up as a market and labor pool cemented the Sino-Soviet split and provided a way for the stagnating American economy to expand further while further breaking domestic labor and providing more cheap consumer goods to keep the public placated and passive. They just assumed it would naturally progress into China also becoming more vulnerable to subversion and a reactionary takeover that would enable it to be made into a client state like Japan or South Korea.

Just because they were cynical, scary monsters it doesn't mean they weren't also white supremacist capitalist ideologues who were fanatically confident in the divine superiority of their own system and who struggled to accurately gauge the strength and resolve of peoples they saw as inferior to themselves. They also just constantly fucked up all of the time, but had enough of a material and institutional advantage that they won anyways because they could just throw more money and guns at the worst people they could find at any given moment and some of them would do enough violence to accomplish the US's goals, and they were still aware enough to know that the lie machines they were funding were inherently dishonest about their positions and methods instead of this gormless "well if the lie machine says it it must be the earnest and genuine truth, oh how benevolent and kind the lie machine is with its eternal quest to spread truth" bullshit that modern liberals do or the credulous sobbing and pissing themselves that more reactionary liberals do out of sheer contrarian confusion.

[–] Saoirse@hexbear.net 8 points 14 hours ago* (last edited 14 hours ago) (1 children)

Incredible as it must seem to people who were alive to see it, it appears the CPC's position has been historically vindicated. The USSR stood rigid and was snapped apart -- The PRC bent, and so remains, changed but intact.

[–] KobaCumTribute@hexbear.net 6 points 13 hours ago

The USSR stood rigid and was snapped apart -- The PRC bent, and so remains, changed but intact.

I don't think that's accurate: the USSR undermined itself by directly attacking and denouncing its past while pushing through ill conceived liberalization schemes that seemed to have been cooked up on the assumption that markets are a magical and efficient system that would simply magic up wealth with magical capitalist efficiency while getting absolutely no material concessions for this from the west, while the PRC traded market reforms for actual material capital and access to resources and the CPC itself didn't devolve into a frenzy of denouncing anyone who wasn't a sufficiently fervent liberal of being a maoist doing a hecking oppression the way Gorbachev's bloc would accuse people of "stalinist oppression" for not only opposing them but also just not being enthusiastic enough while otherwise actively supporting them.

[–] CrawlMarks@hexbear.net 40 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

Cause that is the correct capitalism choice. It worked every other time

[–] ThermonuclearEgg@hexbear.net 23 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

It also paved the way for replacement like the US and the British Empire before them

[–] CrawlMarks@hexbear.net 21 points 17 hours ago* (last edited 17 hours ago)

Capital survived, the americna empire can hardly be said to not be an extension of the British empire anyway

[–] SkingradGuard@hexbear.net 24 points 17 hours ago

Because it revitalized their financial sector and also resulted in trillions of dollars in profits for their capitalists.

[–] Cimbazarov@hexbear.net 6 points 13 hours ago

Tbh, it's a miracle to me China hasn't gone full capitalism/neoliberalism. Maybe it isn't a miracle, there's still alot about the details of Deng's policies I don't know.

[–] FnordPrefect@hexbear.net 55 points 18 hours ago (2 children)

It might be a fun time to trot out the old, "the military is socialist because it's paid for with taxes and provides healthcare", again picard-troll

[–] Drewfro66@lemmygrad.ml 34 points 18 hours ago (2 children)

Don't tempt them, they'll privatize the army

[–] barrbaric@hexbear.net 33 points 17 hours ago

When you consider all of the mercenaries deployed under Bush/Obama, they kind of already have.

Good, a privatized army will be way less effective

[–] Lyudmila@hexbear.net 5 points 13 hours ago

This Thread: asking to privatize the military cringe

Posse Comitatus Act: not applying to private companies oh-shit

Boomerang: Foucault's foucault-madness

Constellis and Pinkerton: livestreaming deployment of operators to your location fuck-around

[–] Cowbee@hexbear.net 61 points 19 hours ago

Fucking incredible watching the Empire eat itself because it raised True Believers in its bullshit.

[–] kkitsuragisleftnut@hexbear.net 23 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

Trump ain't beating the harm reduction candidate allegations.

[–] Thordros@hexbear.net 20 points 16 hours ago

Well. At least for the rest of the world. Sucks to be America right now. And also its neighbors, to a lesser extent.

[–] RoabeArt@hexbear.net 26 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

When you operate on the assumption that "socialism is when the government does stuff", it snowballs from there.

I have a family member who legit believes agencies like NSA and CIA are communist.

[–] LaughingLion@hexbear.net 11 points 16 hours ago

Oh, no. As a commie I sure would hate if they dismantled these orgs.

[–] hexbee@hexbear.net 71 points 20 hours ago (2 children)

These outlets are filled with far left activists

immediately followed by

I've worked with these reporters for decades

:thonk:

[–] SacredExcrement@hexbear.net 17 points 17 hours ago

It's very simple

  1. He's stupid or
  2. He's lying
[–] ThermonuclearEgg@hexbear.net 19 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

See, far left is when le wokeism

[–] exploitedamerican@lemm.ee 9 points 16 hours ago

Far left is when you wave an lgbtqia+ flag while stepping on the throats of the working class and poor.

America has been cooked since the vietnam war and the massive debt we accrued during it causing other nations to cash in their usd reserves for gold due to depleted faith in the us dollar and the idea that we did not have enough gold to cover the debt, then nixon ended the gold standard to stop the hemorrhaging pf the gold reserves and the us scrambled for 8 years to ensure the usd would remain as the global reserve currency ultimately making a shady deal with the saudi royals and opec to make it so that crude oil could only be purchased in USD which slowed down / temporarily postponed the hyper inflation that resulted from taking the usd off a gold standard and turning it into a worthless “trust me bro” fiat currency

[–] GrouchyGrouse@hexbear.net 49 points 19 hours ago

I'm vibrating in a quantum state between :bloomer: and jokerfied at these antics

[–] LENINSGHOSTFACEKILLA@hexbear.net 36 points 18 hours ago

Yes, it is kind of funny, but also its important to remember that this is just because Amerikkkan politicians are now just openly considering anything left of "deport everyone with brown skin" as communism. This is good for a laugh, but whatever comes next is going to suck.

[–] kittin@hexbear.net 40 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

mother fucking PRAXIS

We have been posting in forums meanwhile the real leninists were the accelerationists ensuring the empire eats itself just at the very moment that china becomes economically more powerful.

Fucking P R A X I S comrade Nawfal deserves a statue

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[–] picklemeister@hexbear.net 53 points 19 hours ago

i want to live in the america of their minds, the one filled with all the far left activists

[–] Thordros@hexbear.net 14 points 16 hours ago* (last edited 15 hours ago)

I cannot believe this woke DEI ligma male team is silencing our voice here in North Korea, who oppresses us nonstop. As we here in North Korea—and I, as a genuine North Korean defector can confirm—are taught to believe Kim Jong-Un (the Last Unicorn) has a 31 inch penis that shoots missiles that he uses to execute families he doesn't like.

He also calls it his "Beanis" and keeps talking about "hexbear dot com". He claims his Beanis can also shoot hole-in-ones on every golf course.

[–] PaulSmackage@hexbear.net 56 points 20 hours ago

Quick, someone wire up Allen Dulles' corpse to a battery, we might have discovered perpetual motion.

[–] blobjim@hexbear.net 13 points 15 hours ago* (last edited 15 hours ago) (1 children)

His ultimate goal is pretty clear from his last sentence, "It's a relic of the past. We don't need government paid media outlets."

Which I think is true in the sense that it's openly government funded. How is RFA, RFE, VOA, etc. useful at all compared to a podcast or some other kind of "independent" media outlet with way less obvious funding sources? I imagine they get more bang for their buck from funding media that appears grassroots. People get news by watching YouTube, looking at social media, etc. and there are other organizations that are way better at that stuff than RFA, etc. And the actual stories that those channels talk about can be written by mainstream western media outlets or US government aligned local outlets in other countries. Why does it need to be RFA specifically? Maybe I'm not familiar with the role of RFA compared to other outlets.

They might as well just get rid of the whole USAGM ecosystem and spend the money paying other outlets to do the propaganda-making they do instead, or spend the money more covertly.

[–] 7bicycles@hexbear.net 9 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

I feel like this is kind of missing the part about how much respected publications pick up things from like Radio Free Asia. Like sure you can get Joe Rogan to believe whatever but at least for the time being there's a sizeable element of people that will believe like the NYT but not Joe Rogan

[–] Lyudmila@hexbear.net 10 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

If I was an evil ghoul in charge of the US government and just had 100% of that much respected American corporate media swear their undying fealty to me in exchange for being permitted to continue existing, I would just start sending them all the dogshit propaganda directly.

You don't have to cite RFA or Adrian Zenz anymore, you can dump some out of context photos and pretend it's a real NYT scoop dug up by a half dozen hardworking real journalists in-country instead of it being blatantly obvious it's just some dingdong in Australia just drawing circles on random satellite photos and making shit up.

[–] blobjim@hexbear.net 6 points 13 hours ago

please think of the careers of Australian dingdongs 😢

[–] buh@hexbear.net 46 points 20 hours ago

CIA funded color revolutions are communism because the government does stuff

[–] carpoftruth@hexbear.net 36 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

Sure, please agitate to shut them down but seriously how the fuck do you come to this conclusion?

Decades of actively detrimental political education probably

[–] NephewAlphaBravo@hexbear.net 39 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

Yer fox news granddad is president and he hired all yer fox news cousins

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[–] SorosFootSoldier@hexbear.net 44 points 20 hours ago

Everything I dislike is communism.

[–] goferking0 31 points 20 hours ago

But but but VOA is a valid source because mbfc says so!

Still waiting for worldnews comm to actually ban it considering they hate propaganda sources

[–] coeliacmccarthy@hexbear.net 32 points 20 hours ago (4 children)
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[–] kleeon@hexbear.net 16 points 17 hours ago

Yes Mr. Grenell, you are correct. RFE and VOA are super woke. Please shut them down

[–] SpiderFarmer@hexbear.net 28 points 19 hours ago

Okay, it's moments like these that make my country's downfall mercifully entertaining to me. At least I get a show. soviet-heart

[–] tamagotchicowboy@hexbear.net 10 points 16 hours ago

If you read chud conspiracy forums they've been saying this level shit since the 00s minimum. Its just the more wildin chuds got more vocal as contradictions within the core continued and befuddled their cartoonish understanding of the world. Everything they don't like and everything bad that happens is communist/socialist has been popular in such circles at least since the 60s, ofc they would be the most frothingfash when conditions permit. At least Murikkkan face off fascism will be unstable AF and prone to autocannibalism.

[–] Redderthanmisty@lemmygrad.ml 10 points 16 hours ago

Don't forget Radio Free Asia too, they're the wokiest.

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