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[–] magic_lobster_party@fedia.io 198 points 1 week ago (2 children)

AI makes uncreative people pretend to be creative.

[–] SeductiveTortoise@piefed.social 76 points 1 week ago (3 children)

It makes them create stuff that looks like shit to the trained eye, but is good or good enough for them, thus they don't have to pay money to an actual professional. That doesn't only relate to art, but to IT stuff as well. If you want it done right, hire a professional.

It's the same with the "but my nephew can do it for a tenth of the price"-folks.

[–] Yaky@slrpnk.net 33 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

Just an anecdote, but recently, there have been many "crochet" 3D models posted to 3D printing sites. (Many of those are marked as AI-generated, too) Those look nothing like a crochet toy would look like. These models have a yarn-looking "V" pattern applied to every surface of 3D model, but this pattern comes not from crochet, but from hand-knit blankets (as far as I can tell).

[–] SeductiveTortoise@piefed.social 23 points 1 week ago

I hate those people with a passion. Don't flood my printables, you idiots!

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[–] UnGlasierteGurke@feddit.org 24 points 1 week ago (1 children)

creating something yourself also feels way more satisfying cause you can see your own progress in those creations

[–] magic_lobster_party@fedia.io 21 points 1 week ago

Putting effort in it is what makes it art. You as an artist has decided making this piece is worth your time. ”Art” without effort is just disposable slop.

[–] arsCynic@piefed.social 133 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

It actually does cause brain damage. I mentioned it in an essay (What if I paid for all my free software?):

For one, power causes brain damage which renders rich people literally incapable of knowing what is best for others:

“Subjects under the influence of power, he found in studies spanning two decades, acted as if they had suffered a traumatic brain injury—becoming more impulsive, less risk-aware, and, crucially, less adept at seeing things from other people’s point of view.”

“And when he put the heads of the powerful and the not-so-powerful under a transcranial-magnetic-stimulation machine, he found that power, in fact, impairs a specific neural process, “mirroring,” that may be a cornerstone of empathy.” ―Power Causes Brain Damage, by Jerry Useem for The Atlantic.‍[16]

[–] _1983@lemmy.world 41 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

I greatly enjoyed your essay and found it thought-provoking. I dug through the references regarding power and its effect on the brain (and loss of empathy), and it was both surprising to find it was researched/established scientifically and not-so-surprising in that it explains so much of these people's behavior.

Cheers

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[–] SalamenceFury@lemmy.world 78 points 1 week ago (3 children)

The point of art isn't getting it done quickly. It's the journey, the painstaking hours and the satisfaction of the finished piece.

The only people who think making art faster is good are marketing ghouls.

[–] Kirk@startrek.website 18 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Well said. I mean, the thing produced is literally called a WORK (of art).

[–] Th3D3k0y@lemmy.world 13 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I kind of had that realization the other day. Art is just people taking time to make something, good or bad. What makes it valuable is the time + their ability. It is effectively a monetary battery of your time, charge it up with time, sell it for money.

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[–] CrabAndBroom@lemmy.ml 12 points 1 week ago

Yeah I think people like this see a book written by a human that took them a year to write and sold 1,000 copies and an AI that farts out 500 books in a day and sells 1,000 copies in total as essentially the same thing, except that the AI one is superior to them because it happened faster. Never mind that now Amazon is flooded with the 500 books the AI just made so nobody else can get seen, tomorrow we'll just just make 1,000 books.

[–] nonentity@sh.itjust.works 56 points 1 week ago (4 children)

Financial obesity is neurotoxic.

[–] thurstylark@lemmy.today 14 points 1 week ago (1 children)

"Financial Obesity" is definitely a term I'm going to use now, thanks.

[–] FrowingFostek@lemmy.world 9 points 1 week ago

I read the phrase "dictatorship of the wealthy" for the first time the other day. It always seemed obvious but, to see it put that way struck me as novel.

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[–] TriangleSpecialist@lemmy.world 43 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (6 children)

Proof once more, as if we needed it, that the people who have traded their humanity for buying into the capitalist mindset, only ever think of things as if they were marketable products, and in terms of outcomes and productivity.

Fuck the creative process, the journey it takes you on, and the necessary introspection and connection to the world that needs to occur for it. Fuck the joy you can find in effort, failure, and in finally having an epiphany. Fuck being able to hone your skills without depending on a corporate tool that can be taken away from you at a minute's notice. All of it be damned, you can now (allegedly) get to the same end result quicker without the effort (or pleasure, or self-discovery, or personal growth). We all know that the end result is what counts, and nothing else.

But yeah, people be mad because meanie artists gatekeep poor ol' Mark, and nothing says "democratising" art like "automating the process out of your hands with corporate approved tools and ideology".

~~Fuck sake.~~

Fuck's sake.

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[–] MountingSuspicion@reddthat.com 42 points 1 week ago

Love that he thinks "if you know how to tell a great story you will love AI." The whole point of AI is to cut out the telling a story part. In reality it's "if you think you have a good idea for a story but don't know how to tell one you'll love whatever the AI spits out." People who know how to do creative things don't need AI to do it for them.

[–] aesthelete@lemmy.world 38 points 1 week ago

What the fuck would Mark Cuban know about creating art?

People let these business ghouls way the fuck out of their lane.

[–] hungryphrog@lemmy.blahaj.zone 36 points 1 week ago (2 children)

I don't trust anyone who talks about 'creators' instead of artists.

[–] JustTesting@lemmy.hogru.ch 17 points 1 week ago

I fucking hate the unquestioned assumption that speed and efficiency are always better and that everyone should strife for them. Maybe i like the process, maybe i like taking things slow and not rushing stuff, be that programming or art or whatever.

Plus in most cases, efficiency doesn't reflect in your bottom line anyways, just the share holders, but we've been so brainwashed to see it as a virtue

[–] discocactus@lemmy.world 10 points 1 week ago

It's because of the commodification. They don't recognize art, only content and units of sellable culture. And because of the implication that they expect a cut, unearned.

[–] jaredwhite@humansare.social 35 points 1 week ago (4 children)

This is in fact an insidious form of gatekeeping. It is shutting out people who are excited to learn new skills and become the next generation of creative people by collaborating with other talented humans, receiving apprenticeship, and being rewarded for their labor. Their opportunities and newfound capabilities are being thwarted by the slop machines, and it stinks.

There is no gatekeeper like a Capitalist trying to convince you that Yet More Automation™ is good for everybody!

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[–] Kolanaki@pawb.social 33 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

Said by someone who is as creative as a rock.

[–] ICastFist@programming.dev 14 points 1 week ago (2 children)

He is very creative when it comes to swindle money out of people

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[–] phaedrus@piefed.world 32 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

The creative iterations part is funny to me. Sure, it cuts the time-span of each iteration down, potentially, if you are not proficient with what you are doing. However, because of the wild innaccuracies and lack of context of a physical world, you are also doing 5-10x more iterations than you otherwise would have, except you don't get to learn and grow along the way.

Literally turns everything into worker-bee level stuff. Usual shareholder mentality to go for quantity over quality.

[–] titanicx@lemmy.zip 12 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I mean they were talking about the McDonald's commercial recently and how everybody is throwing a fit over the fact that it's AI in McDonald's actually finally pulled the advert. The company that created it said that it took three or four times as long to create because they kept having to go back and reprompt and recreate and fix an accurate season errors and issues. And then ended up costing more money and more man hours than utilizing actual actors and creatives to make it happen.

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[–] lemmy_outta_here@lemmy.world 30 points 1 week ago

As an artist, I LOVE being told what i should like and not like by an out-of-touch never-been-cool rich asshole. Thanks, dickwad!

[–] slaacaa@lemmy.world 29 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

So smart, thank you for blessing us with your words of wisdom, Mr. Rich Person who is also an expert in art!

Tap for spoilerCreating this slop caused a home in Wisconsin to lose power for 2 minutes. Please send them your thoughts and prayers!

[–] mr_sunburn@lemmy.ml 29 points 1 week ago (8 children)

With the amount of energy put into GenAI and the sheer bulk of content generated, why don't advocates have at least one example of something artistically interesting, unique, or beautiful to showcase their claims? Has it yet made anything of cultural importance that will illicit more than a chuckle and a 'like'?

It seems to me I keep hearing non-artists assert that this will be a great thing for art, while real artists who disagree are labeled Luddites or not genuinely creative in some way. It's frustrating to watch them openly say easily disprovable things. This isn't speculative anymore these systems have been in production for years at this point. Let's look at the actual results.

[–] Mniot@programming.dev 22 points 1 week ago (6 children)

Can the people advocating for AI art provide any examples of anything human-generated that is artistically interesting? I suspect not and that's a big part of why they're impressed with AI art.

Like, they'd probably say "The Mona Lisa" because it's well known to be Great Art, and then their AI can draw them in the style of the Mona Lisa, ergo it has generated Great Art.

[–] Krudler@lemmy.world 9 points 1 week ago

I like this mini thread, yeah I agree. It seems like most AI advocates do not understand the difference between graphics and art.

Computers make graphics, and art is the human experience (often) expressed through a visual medium.

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[–] kinsnik@lemmy.world 23 points 1 week ago

Creative iteration is hard work. if it is only taking minutes, it is because it is not creative. Sure, it is hard to sit down and draw or write or do any work, but the best ideas happen during that process

[–] Smoogs@lemmy.world 22 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Ai conceptual art is still scraped from artists who physically made the art in the first place . Without humans building art by hand it wouldn't have existed.

I literally saw the word Disney plastered in a language learning ‘AI’ story on YouTube. It wasn’t even Disney related material. That’s how bad and lazy it is at scraping. It’s even scraping the logos from the creators it’s stealing from.

It’s not AI. It hasn’t created anything. So we should stop calling it that.

It’s just plaigerism. Just call it plaigerism. “I plaigerized a story. I plaigerized all the concepts for it” stop pretending you created a damned thing. You’re fooling nobody

(Directed at the original post, not the OP who posted it here)

[–] Tartas1995@discuss.tchncs.de 21 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Ai makes it more obvious why very rich people don't deserve their wealth but they will say some of the dumbest shit and act enlightened.

Dear shitheads, creative people don't hate ai because it create what they create, they hate it because it is build with stolen labor and used to push them out of the market. People like new tools that make their life easier... people don't like when big companies steal their labor and push them out of the market.

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[–] DFX4509B@lemmy.wtf 17 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Are you kidding me? AI doesn't make creative people more creative. Actually picking up a crayon or a pencil or whatever your jive is, and actively creating more, makes creative people more creative.

Also, lol, a former Shark Tank host pushing a grift, the jokes write themselves.

Also also, if you want to make art fast, cutting up some construction paper and playing with that is better, and more fun, than using AI by a longshot, and construction paper cutouts are the most basic form of art and one of, if not the first forms of art, that everyone in here has probably ever done.

[–] Tigeroovy@lemmy.ca 17 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Ah yes of course, the ITERATIONS! Thats all art ever is, it’s all just ITERATIONS!

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[–] nostrauxendar@lemmy.world 15 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

My fave thing about creativity is raw efficiency. When I sit down to paint, I've already mapped out the most efficient way to create a completed painting (i.e. a product).

It's to put the paintbrush down and immediately Google what I was going to paint and just print out a picture of that instead. WAY quicker. I can do that in minutes as opposed to what used to take months!

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[–] nothrone@lemmy.dbzer0.com 13 points 1 week ago

I feel vindicated. A few months/years? ago, everyone was saying Mark Cuban was the exception to the rule "all billionaires suck". I always claimed otherwise, fuck Mark Cuban, he also sucks. And here we are, the guy is just as hated nowadays...

[–] GreenKnight23@lemmy.world 12 points 1 week ago

mark has a vested interest in the success of AI. anything he says is for the enrichment of his investments.

don't listen to mark, he's a shill.

[–] untorquer@lemmy.world 12 points 1 week ago

Creativity is fundamentally an exercise in brain plasticity. Enjoy your early onset dementia/Alzheimer's when you don't learn a damn thing for years on end.

[–] halloween_spookster@lemmy.world 11 points 1 week ago

If AI increases productivity, where's the shovelware? Why haven't we seen a hockey stick graph of code commits/lines/repos?

https://mikelovesrobots.substack.com/p/wheres-the-shovelware-why-ai-coding

Why would I want to create some soulless approximation of my creative idea, when I could use my own brain, hands, and heart to create my idea exactly the way I imagine it?

Putting work into art can be a cathartic labor of love. I enjoy making things with specific people, music, or senses & imagery in mind. There’s also a distinct sense of accomplishment that comes from completing a work and saying, “I made this.” Putting a prompt into a machine can’t give me that.

[–] Itdidnttrickledown@lemmy.world 10 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Just goes to show it wasn't intelligence that made them rich.

[–] tetris11@feddit.uk 10 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

It's true in the sense that it's fantastic at laying down a template for your ideas, which you can then refine and finesse yourself.

The only issue is what capitalism is doing with it. I use AI a lot for my daily job, but it fills me with dread knowing how limited my future is because of it.

The Luddites didn't smash all those machines because they were afraid of them. They were more than happy to use the fancy new tools to make them more efficient. They just didn't want to sacrifice their standard of living to do it.

[–] billbasher@lemmy.world 10 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

I hate upvoting these things but they’re in a f AI community so it’s appropriate

[–] klay1@lemmy.world 9 points 1 week ago

even i, the uncreative one, understood that art is about the creating part. How you do it. The finished work can give a hint on what creating might have looked like. If someone spends hours fighting an LLM to get some results, hey that's art too. Good luck on telling an interesting story though.

No one needs to "LOVE Ai" though. It is generally pretty shitty. Sit back down, Mark!

[–] Tattorack@lemmy.world 9 points 1 week ago

I don't need AI to replace my creativity and imagination. This is what someone writes when they only care about the end product, and not about the actual creative process.

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