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https://teddit.zaggy.nl/r/Psychonaut/comments/18mth6c/peyote_is_the_darling_of_the_psychedelics/

Honestly this whole thread is a cesspool, pure psychic damage. There are literally functional alternatives, but still these self-enlightened egolords can't keep their fucking hands off an endangered plant. The prevailing attitude looks to be "Its there, so I i am entitled to plunder it"

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[–] Nationalgoatism@hexbear.net 45 points 2 years ago

I don't think it's a matter of gate keeping the drug do much as it is of keeping the plant from going extinct due to over harvesting. Grow your own peyote (most won't bc they lack the necessary skills and patience, even if they have an appropriate climate) or just use other psychedelics.

[–] Othello@hexbear.net 45 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (10 children)

also if you use magic mushrooms you have a moral duty to know what happened to María Sabina

[–] comrade_pibb@hexbear.net 27 points 2 years ago

aww what the hell, fuckin kkkrackers

[–] ThereRisesARedStar@hexbear.net 13 points 2 years ago (1 children)

TIL about the MKUltra connection to what happened to her

[–] Othello@hexbear.net 14 points 2 years ago (1 children)

thats the part that gets me!! how is the cia at the crime of EVERY bad thing in Latin America.

[–] PaulSmackage@hexbear.net 13 points 2 years ago

If something happened in South America in the last 80 or so years, "CIA did it" is an appropriate response 99% of the time.

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[–] JuryNullification@hexbear.net 44 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Watched some Crime Pays But Botany Doesn’t about “growing cactus from seed” and it’s about indigenous people growing peyote (and other cacti).

They’re already overharvested and dying out in the wild. Fuck off white psychonauts.

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[–] LeylaLove@hexbear.net 43 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

As someone who loved drugs back in the day, I always told people that they should grow their own San Pedro's or another common mescaline cactus and not peyote. I know a guy whose entire house is filled with different species of peyote, literally every inch of his floor covered in pots. He had trichoceruses he kept for tripping. If it didn't keep him busy and happy with himself, I'd say it was a hoard. But he was growing for repopulation and regularly planted around town, so it's healthy-ish for him. Got himself off heroin by growing peyote for repopulation, not by taking it. He was the only white guy I've ever met that taking peyote would be perfectly ethical, but still didn't do it

It's not hard to be respectful. Especially when San Pedros are legal and extremely easy to get.

[–] Budwig_v_1337hoven@hexbear.net 37 points 2 years ago (3 children)

tacit attempts at virtue-blackmailing

farquaad-point this redditor has no concept of shame left

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[–] frauddogg@lemmygrad.ml 30 points 2 years ago (1 children)

The prevailing attitude looks to be “Its there, so I i am entitled to plunder it”

Isn't that just the cracker ethos writ large?

[–] Othello@hexbear.net 20 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

yep most white leftist feel the same way on this too, if you try to tell them they cant do something they will scream and cry and call you a racist. i was just thinking yesterday that its only a matter of time before white leftist demand to use racial slurs in the name of equality. wait i just remembered zizek exist and is popular.

[–] sourquincelog@hexbear.net 26 points 2 years ago

owl-pissed Who says it's open land, mother fucker, who?

[–] AlpineSteakHouse@hexbear.net 25 points 2 years ago (15 children)

I read the original article and the only thing I have against it is the anti-synthetic peyote stance they have. I get it's a sacred plant but if the option is people foraging it to extinction or letting them have a lab grown version then just let them make it in the lab. As much as I support indigenous folks in their anti-crakkker stance they don't have the right to the molecule itself especially if it isn't derived from peyote.

I assume that's the point of the first comment. Not "Let me forage this plant to extinction" but "If you say I can't have a synthetic version and I can't forage then what do you want me to do?" Just let them have the lab-grown stuff and keep the plants yourself. Less foraging, psych folks get their trips, everyone's happy.

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[–] Mardoniush@hexbear.net 22 points 2 years ago

Ok, if you want to have the cultural experience, then fucking do so like many Western defectors to First Nations did.

Go through all the rituals that a person of that actual culture would, learn the language, immerse yourself for decades, and then, maybe, you can have the treat plant.

[–] peppersky@hexbear.net 18 points 2 years ago (1 children)

How hard is it to just take acid

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[–] kristina@hexbear.net 17 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Want this guy to get so high his one brain cell pops, bizarre way to talk about things

[–] Hexbear2@hexbear.net 15 points 2 years ago

I don't think people should be fucking with these psychedelic alkaloids for recreational purposes, many of them result in dangerously high blood pressures.

[–] D61@hexbear.net 15 points 2 years ago

Treat piggy wants the peyote!

[–] DayOfDoom@hexbear.net 15 points 2 years ago

Say no to drugs, Hexbear. This is your brain on stolen peyote.

[–] AntiOutsideAktion@hexbear.net 13 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)
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